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27 Jan 2010 14:22 #1651 by KenC
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I'm new to EMC2 & electronic challenged...

Downloaded all the manual & read them with great difficulties due to my limited electronics vocabulary...

I have a stupid question, What does the Spindle PWM do? Exactly?
Does it send signal straight to the VFD to control the speed?
What is "PWM component" mean?
How would I know if I need "PWM component" for VFD?

Thank you for your attention & appriciate the help.

Ken

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28 Jan 2010 12:42 #1657 by BigJohnT
Replied by BigJohnT on topic Re:Spindle PWM
PWM is pulse width modulation. The type of speed signal you need for a VFD depends on the VFD. What kind of VFD do you have?

John

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28 Jan 2010 13:14 - 28 Jan 2010 13:19 #1659 by KenC
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I have a Huanyang VFD. Do you mean I can connect the Spindle PWM terminal on the BOB directly to the VFD?
Here is the manual www.stepdrive.ru/doc/VFD%20Manual.pdf
and Q2,
How can I relate this attached circuit with this whole setup?
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28 Jan 2010 13:21 #1661 by BigJohnT
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I'm no electronic expert for sure but it looks like you might have/need a 0-10v speed reference.
Does your manual have any info on external speed control?

John

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28 Jan 2010 13:36 #1664 by KenC
Replied by KenC on topic Re:Spindle PWM
It did say that the
"AM" terminal is a "output terminal of digital frequency" which has a factory setting of 0~10
Also, "VI" is "Analog Voltage Frequency Referenc input" & the factory setting is "0~ +10V corresponding to the highest operating frequency."
AND, "AI" is "Analog current Frequency Reference input" "4~20mA coresponding to the highest operating frequency"

All these sound like Alian Nation to me....

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28 Jan 2010 13:51 #1666 by BigJohnT
Replied by BigJohnT on topic Re:Spindle PWM
Looks like you have your choice of 0-10 volts or 4-20 milliamp neither of which is PWM. Either one you use you will need something other than the parallel port to generate an analog signal. My personal favorite is a Mesa 5i20 with a 7i33TA daughter board for a 0-10 volt analog out and 7i37TA daughter boards for digital I/O (inputs and outputs).

sorry I can't resist, here is a link for PWM info...

tinyurl.com/yexn7z2

John

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28 Jan 2010 14:20 #1667 by KenC
Replied by KenC on topic Re:Spindle PWM
I understand what PWM, how they are made & how they are generated & a little about how they are used.signal.

In power Electronics, they are used to wack up the AC frequency to increase magnetic coupling efficiency hence the now common SMPS,

Some time PWM can emulate an analog voltage by varying the duty cycle of aDV voltage or current.

In the case of EMC2, is the Sindle PWM suppose to be this type of Psudo Analogue signal? or is this a pulse train like what they do in power electronics?? What does the VFD expect the incoming signal characteristic?

like I said, I'm trapped between unfamiliar vocab..... and I'm no electrical engineer either

I'm stuck at the dead end of how can I get EMC2 to talk to the VFD...

Beleieve me I did my share of research just don't know which keyword to find my answer...

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28 Jan 2010 17:14 - 28 Jan 2010 17:19 #1671 by PCW
Replied by PCW on topic Re:Spindle PWM
Thats right, PWM is a way to get a variable output from a single digital (on.off only) output bit,
like the bits on a parallel port.

Many VFDs have a analog voltage speed input. The PWM output from EMC can filtered
to generate this analog voltage. Some Break Out Boards have this analog filter built in. I believe
there are some VFDs that will accepts a straight PWM signal input as well but these are not common.
Last edit: 28 Jan 2010 17:19 by PCW. Reason: clarify

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29 Jan 2010 02:36 #1676 by KenC
Replied by KenC on topic Re:Spindle PWM
PCW, Thank you for replying, your reply is what I'm hoping to know.

Do you meant to say the PWM output from the parallel port is in a pulse train form and it is a frequency signal?
If so, it would be great to know the the frequency. Unfortunately. I don't have equipment to measure the frequency.
Do you know what the frequency range might be?

Regards,

Ken

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29 Jan 2010 03:02 - 29 Jan 2010 03:05 #1677 by PCW
Replied by PCW on topic Re:Spindle PWM
If you have system with EMC installed. type:

man pwmgen

in a terminal

otherwise

www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/man/man9/pwmgen.9.html

As the manual explains, the frequency of EMCs PWM is settable (within limits)

To muddy the waters, for a 0-10V VFD, you may want EMC to generate PDM instead
of PWM as its easier to filter
Last edit: 29 Jan 2010 03:05 by PCW. Reason: clarity

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