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Deckel FP4 Gearbox Comp
2 years 4 months ago #303412
by Walkahz
Deckel FP4 Gearbox Comp was created by Walkahz
Hi Everyone
I am in the process of trying to get my Deckel FP4nc shifting gears.
I have ditched the standard motor control system of contactors and resistors and fitted a VFD that is configured to run at 50Hz as well as a jog at 5Hz to allow the gear shifting to take place.
I have set up the gear motor relays the same as stock and there are 3 gear selector motors that are able to turn the selectors 360 deg.
Each selector has 3 microswitches to determine the position.
I have been looking into a few methods of setting up the gearbox comp including a modification of RotarySMP's MAHO component (i am struggling to get the halcompile to work correctly)
Or alternatively i have also found another user Niko provide his config in the following thread forum.linuxcnc.org/10-advanced-configura...-gearbox-comp#246671
Running the gearbox through classic ladder (which i am finding a little easier to follow and seems to be a perfect match for my machine)
To make this ladder based system work for my configuration i copied across the parts i thought were relevant from the hal file.
However once i had changed all the pin outs to suit my wiring i was unable to open linux CNC as it was throwing errors saying it was unable to find certain pins (i.e. the decode)
I tried opening the ladder program once i reset the hal as it comes straight out of PNCConfig but it seemed to be missing variables/pins as they were replaced with ???? (could be related the the hal??)
Apologies in advance for my lack of knowledge when it comes to hal and linux i am definately in over my head when it comes to code. I have attached my Hal and the ladder program for reference.
Regards
Josh
I am in the process of trying to get my Deckel FP4nc shifting gears.
I have ditched the standard motor control system of contactors and resistors and fitted a VFD that is configured to run at 50Hz as well as a jog at 5Hz to allow the gear shifting to take place.
I have set up the gear motor relays the same as stock and there are 3 gear selector motors that are able to turn the selectors 360 deg.
Each selector has 3 microswitches to determine the position.
I have been looking into a few methods of setting up the gearbox comp including a modification of RotarySMP's MAHO component (i am struggling to get the halcompile to work correctly)
Or alternatively i have also found another user Niko provide his config in the following thread forum.linuxcnc.org/10-advanced-configura...-gearbox-comp#246671
Running the gearbox through classic ladder (which i am finding a little easier to follow and seems to be a perfect match for my machine)
To make this ladder based system work for my configuration i copied across the parts i thought were relevant from the hal file.
However once i had changed all the pin outs to suit my wiring i was unable to open linux CNC as it was throwing errors saying it was unable to find certain pins (i.e. the decode)
I tried opening the ladder program once i reset the hal as it comes straight out of PNCConfig but it seemed to be missing variables/pins as they were replaced with ???? (could be related the the hal??)
Apologies in advance for my lack of knowledge when it comes to hal and linux i am definately in over my head when it comes to code. I have attached my Hal and the ladder program for reference.
Regards
Josh
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2 years 4 months ago #303415
by Aciera
This is from the 'Deckel.hal' file in the post you linked:
For this to work you will need to install the 'tumbler_decode.comp' from the original zip folder.
Replied by Aciera on topic Deckel FP4 Gearbox Comp
That is because 'decode.' pins are created by a custom hal component called 'tumbler_decode'However once i had changed all the pin outs to suit my wiring i was unable to open linux CNC as it was throwing errors saying it was unable to find certain pins (i.e. the decode)
This is from the 'Deckel.hal' file in the post you linked:
Code:
loadrt tumbler_decode names=decode.0
addf decode.0 servo-thread
For this to work you will need to install the 'tumbler_decode.comp' from the original zip folder.
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2 years 4 months ago #303482
by Walkahz
Replied by Walkahz on topic Deckel FP4 Gearbox Comp
Installed the tumbler_decode.comp and still getting an error.
Have checked it's included in the hal.
Have checked it's included in the hal.
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2 years 4 months ago #303487
by Aciera
Replied by Aciera on topic Deckel FP4 Gearbox Comp
If you have these two lines in your hal:
loadrt tumbler_decode names=decode.0
addf decode.0 servo-thread
And you are still getting an error then I would comment out all the hal lines that contain 'decode.0' pins to get linuxcnc started and then use the 'show halconfiguration' tool to check that the 'decode.0' component is actually loaded and what pin have been created.
loadrt tumbler_decode names=decode.0
addf decode.0 servo-thread
And you are still getting an error then I would comment out all the hal lines that contain 'decode.0' pins to get linuxcnc started and then use the 'show halconfiguration' tool to check that the 'decode.0' component is actually loaded and what pin have been created.
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2 years 4 months ago #303638
by Walkahz
Replied by Walkahz on topic Deckel FP4 Gearbox Comp
Thanks for your input.
Still no luck, everytime I comment something out a new reason to stop LCNC opening comes up in the error log. There must be something I am missing.
Going to change track for now and go back to the original plan of using a modification of rotarySMP's code.
one question I do have is how does the addressing system of pins work in external .comp files work?
The below is a snippet of the code. I'm assuming the 28X1... section is the reference for the pin or is it the whole "MESA 7i84 OUTPUT 0: 28X1-8"; line? How would I find the 28X1 address on my setup as i assume this will be different for everyone.
/* control pins */
pin out bit motor_lowspeed = 0 "MESA 7i84 OUTPUT 0: 28X1-8";
pin out bit reducer_motor = 0 "MESA 7i84 OUTPUT 1: 28X1-9";
pin out bit midrange_motor = 0 "MESA 7i84 OUTPUT 2: 28X1-10";
pin out bit input_stage_motor = 0 "MESA 7i84 OUTPUT 3: 28X1-11";
Still no luck, everytime I comment something out a new reason to stop LCNC opening comes up in the error log. There must be something I am missing.
Going to change track for now and go back to the original plan of using a modification of rotarySMP's code.
one question I do have is how does the addressing system of pins work in external .comp files work?
The below is a snippet of the code. I'm assuming the 28X1... section is the reference for the pin or is it the whole "MESA 7i84 OUTPUT 0: 28X1-8"; line? How would I find the 28X1 address on my setup as i assume this will be different for everyone.
/* control pins */
pin out bit motor_lowspeed = 0 "MESA 7i84 OUTPUT 0: 28X1-8";
pin out bit reducer_motor = 0 "MESA 7i84 OUTPUT 1: 28X1-9";
pin out bit midrange_motor = 0 "MESA 7i84 OUTPUT 2: 28X1-10";
pin out bit input_stage_motor = 0 "MESA 7i84 OUTPUT 3: 28X1-11";
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2 years 4 months ago #303641
by Aciera
"MESA 7i84 OUTPUT 0: 28X1-8" is just a comment, presumably the output of the 7i84 used by the author in his particular setup. This has no impact on the pin name or location whatsoever.
Replied by Aciera on topic Deckel FP4 Gearbox Comp
The pin created here by this component will be '<componentname>.motor-lowspeed' and is preset to FALSE.pin out bit motor_lowspeed = 0 "MESA 7i84 OUTPUT 0: 28X1-8";
"MESA 7i84 OUTPUT 0: 28X1-8" is just a comment, presumably the output of the 7i84 used by the author in his particular setup. This has no impact on the pin name or location whatsoever.
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2 years 4 months ago #303671
by RotarySMP
Replied by RotarySMP on topic Deckel FP4 Gearbox Comp
You based your Deckel Comp on the MAHO gearbox Comp my mate wrote didn't you? Those "28X" pins are the connector assignments of the MAHO relay board and feedback switches. He commented them into the comp to help us keep track of everything.
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2 years 4 months ago #303683
by Walkahz
Replied by Walkahz on topic Deckel FP4 Gearbox Comp
Ok that makes sense, so if that is just a comment where in the code does the pin number for the 7i84 get assigned? Is this just a set of lines in one of the .hal files?
Short of me copying the pinout exactly I'm assuming that I will need to change this to suit my wiring.
Short of me copying the pinout exactly I'm assuming that I will need to change this to suit my wiring.
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2 years 4 months ago #303703
by Aciera
Replied by Aciera on topic Deckel FP4 Gearbox Comp
Yes, you will need to make the connections form the component pins to the mesa board pins in your hal file.
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2 years 3 months ago #304140
by Walkahz
Replied by Walkahz on topic Deckel FP4 Gearbox Comp
Im Still working away modifying the Hal file.
Went back to review RotarySMP's wonderful Maho thread and 90% of the answers i needed were right there in his HAL file.
I am stuck on a couple of points though.
I have copied the 2 sections below out of Mark's HAL and done what i thought were the required modifications. The modified version of the code i found to suit the Deckel is half in german which is tough for a simple Aussie.
What files will these pins refer back to when opening linux CNC? at the moment unless i comment out like below it throws an error upon opening e.g. cant find pin FP4-gearbox.reducer-motor.
This will be due to a different naming syntax between the below and whatever file it references i would assume but i need to know what it is so i can modify correctly.
# --- GEARBOX CONTROL ---
#net sig_return_actual_speed FP4-gearbox.spindle-speed-out => motion.spindle-speed-in
#net sig_return_spindle-at-speed FP4-gearbox.spindle-at-speed => motion.spindle-at-speed
#net sig_stop_spindle FP4-gearbox.stop-spindle => motion.spindle-on
#net set-gear-shift-start FP4-gearbox.start-gear-shift => hm2_5i25.0.7i84.0.2.output-05
#net activate-vorgelege_motor FP4-gearbox.reducer-motor => hm2_7i96s.0.7i84.0.0.output-00
#net activate-block2_motor FP4-gearbox.midrange-motor => hm2_7i96s.0.7i84.0.0.output-01
#net set-shaft-motor-lowspeed FP4-gearbox.motor-lowspeed => hm2_7i96s.0.7i84.0.0.output-03
#net activate-block1_motor FP4-gearbox.input-stage-motor => hm2_7i96s.0.7i84.0.0.output-02
net activate-spindle-twitch-cw FP4-gearbox.twitch-cw => hm2_7i96s.0.7i84.0.0.output-04
net activate-spindle-twitch-ccw FP4-gearbox.twitch-ccw => hm2_7i96s.0.7i84.0.0.output-05
# --- GEARBOX CONTROL ---
#net sig_get_commanded_speed FP4-gearbox.spindle-speed-in-abs <= motion.spindle-speed-out-abs
#net sig_spindle_status FP4-gearbox.spindle-stopped <= hm2_5i25.0.7i84.0.2.input-19
#net sig_vorgelege_vorne FP4-gearbox.reducer-front <= hm2_7i96s.0.inm.00.input-02
#net sig_vorgelege_mitte FP4-gearbox.reducer-center <= hm2_7i96s.0.inm.00.input-03
#net sig_vorgelege_hinten FP4-gearbox.reducer-back <= hm2_7i96s.0.inm.00.input-04
#net sig_block2_vorne FP4-gearbox.middle-front <= hm2_7i96s.0.inm.00.input-05
#net sig_block2_mitte FP4-gearbox.middle-center <= hm2_7i96s.0.inm.00.input-06
#net sig_block2_hinten FP4-gearbox.middle-back <= hm2_7i96s.0.inm.00.input-07
#net sig_block1_vorne FP4-gearbox.input-front <= hm2_7i96s.0.inm.00.input-08
#net sig_block1_mitte FP4-gearbox.input-center <= hm2_7i96s.0.inm.00.input-09
#net sig_block1_hinten FP4-gearbox.input-back <= hm2_7i96s.0.inm.00.input-10
Thanks for being patient with me.
Went back to review RotarySMP's wonderful Maho thread and 90% of the answers i needed were right there in his HAL file.
I am stuck on a couple of points though.
I have copied the 2 sections below out of Mark's HAL and done what i thought were the required modifications. The modified version of the code i found to suit the Deckel is half in german which is tough for a simple Aussie.
What files will these pins refer back to when opening linux CNC? at the moment unless i comment out like below it throws an error upon opening e.g. cant find pin FP4-gearbox.reducer-motor.
This will be due to a different naming syntax between the below and whatever file it references i would assume but i need to know what it is so i can modify correctly.
# --- GEARBOX CONTROL ---
#net sig_return_actual_speed FP4-gearbox.spindle-speed-out => motion.spindle-speed-in
#net sig_return_spindle-at-speed FP4-gearbox.spindle-at-speed => motion.spindle-at-speed
#net sig_stop_spindle FP4-gearbox.stop-spindle => motion.spindle-on
#net set-gear-shift-start FP4-gearbox.start-gear-shift => hm2_5i25.0.7i84.0.2.output-05
#net activate-vorgelege_motor FP4-gearbox.reducer-motor => hm2_7i96s.0.7i84.0.0.output-00
#net activate-block2_motor FP4-gearbox.midrange-motor => hm2_7i96s.0.7i84.0.0.output-01
#net set-shaft-motor-lowspeed FP4-gearbox.motor-lowspeed => hm2_7i96s.0.7i84.0.0.output-03
#net activate-block1_motor FP4-gearbox.input-stage-motor => hm2_7i96s.0.7i84.0.0.output-02
net activate-spindle-twitch-cw FP4-gearbox.twitch-cw => hm2_7i96s.0.7i84.0.0.output-04
net activate-spindle-twitch-ccw FP4-gearbox.twitch-ccw => hm2_7i96s.0.7i84.0.0.output-05
# --- GEARBOX CONTROL ---
#net sig_get_commanded_speed FP4-gearbox.spindle-speed-in-abs <= motion.spindle-speed-out-abs
#net sig_spindle_status FP4-gearbox.spindle-stopped <= hm2_5i25.0.7i84.0.2.input-19
#net sig_vorgelege_vorne FP4-gearbox.reducer-front <= hm2_7i96s.0.inm.00.input-02
#net sig_vorgelege_mitte FP4-gearbox.reducer-center <= hm2_7i96s.0.inm.00.input-03
#net sig_vorgelege_hinten FP4-gearbox.reducer-back <= hm2_7i96s.0.inm.00.input-04
#net sig_block2_vorne FP4-gearbox.middle-front <= hm2_7i96s.0.inm.00.input-05
#net sig_block2_mitte FP4-gearbox.middle-center <= hm2_7i96s.0.inm.00.input-06
#net sig_block2_hinten FP4-gearbox.middle-back <= hm2_7i96s.0.inm.00.input-07
#net sig_block1_vorne FP4-gearbox.input-front <= hm2_7i96s.0.inm.00.input-08
#net sig_block1_mitte FP4-gearbox.input-center <= hm2_7i96s.0.inm.00.input-09
#net sig_block1_hinten FP4-gearbox.input-back <= hm2_7i96s.0.inm.00.input-10
Thanks for being patient with me.
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