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19 Dec 2023 15:03 #288587 by spumco
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TLDR:
Do I need to change the order of some/all the axis/joint numbers in INI?  If so, to what?

Does a switchable userkins need a default configuration (i.e. when in cartesian mode)?  If so, where is that defined?


Longer version:
Does the order of axes letters & joint numbers in INI matter?  I installed a user kinematics module and during initial testing got a confusing error.

Specifically, commanding G0 C90 resulted in a "Joint 2 limits would be exceeded" error... but I've defined C-axis as Joint 3. What gives?  

Now I'm wondering if I need to change the order of axes/joint in my INI file.  Here's a summary of what I've got, both in INI and physically:

Physical components:
  • X-axis
    • Traditional axis, nothing strange
  • Z-axis
    • Traditional axis, nothing strange
  • V-axis
    • Separate slide mounted to lathe headstock.  Used for parting tool, much like some Hardinge chuckers.
    • I could define this as an extra_joint, but I want CSS while parting and I think I need it defined as an axis to get this feature.
  • C-axis (main spindle)
    • Servo spindle motor, both spindle and c-axis mode
    • using caxis.comp to switch between modes
  • C-axis (sub-spindle, not yet implemented)
    • ​​​​​​​hoping to duplicate the main spindle dual-mode here as well
My INI summary:
  • [DISPLAY]
    • GEOMETRY = not defined
  • [TRAJ]
    • COORDINATES = XZVC
  • [KINS]
    • KINEMATICS = polar_userkins
  • [AXIS X]
    • [JOINT 0]
  • [AXIS Z]
    • [JOINT 1]
  • [AXIS V]
    • [JOINT 2]
  • [AXIS C]
    • [JOINT 3]

I don't really understand the userkins.comp file, having borrowed it from NoJo.  Nor do I understand where to define the 'default' KINS arrangement when polar interp mode is off.

 
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19 Dec 2023 15:16 #288588 by andypugh
Replied by andypugh on topic Axis letters vs joint numbers - does the order matter?
The mapping of axes to joints is defined in the kinematics file (possibly as a parameter passed to the kinematics file as it is loaded)

The position in the INI is not relevant. Your INI could be

Axis X
Joint0
AxisY
Joint1

Or
Axis X
Axis Y
Axis Z

Joint0
Joint1
Joint2

Or even, of you wanted,

Joint3
Joint1
Joint0
Axis C
Joint2
Axis X
Axis Z
Axis Y

The components search the INI for the information that they require when they require it.

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19 Dec 2023 16:03 #288591 by spumco
Replied by spumco on topic Axis letters vs joint numbers - does the order matter?
I don't see any parameters being referenced in the kinematics file (i.e. INI references).

The kinematics file has this in it:
KINEMATICS_TYPE kinematicsType()
{
    static bool is_setup=0;
    if (!is_setup) polar_userkins_setup();
    return KINEMATICS_IDENTITY;

And a little later on:
if (switchkins_type == 1) 
    {
        // G12.1 mode : do polar to cartesian conversion
        angle_rad = j[2] * M_PI / 180.0;    
        radius = j[0] - tool_offset;
        pos->tran.x = (radius * cos(angle_rad)) + tool_offset;
        pos->c = -(radius * sin(angle_rad));  // ref comment in inverse kinematics        
    }
    else
    {
        pos->tran.x = j[0];

        // on an exit from polar, am adjusting the pos->C and j[2] values so that the max distance back to zero
        // will be between 0 and 360deg. As in polar mode, we may have clocked up several revolutions of C, which 
        // means if did not do this setp, would unwind all these positions. The method is derived from what the 
        // caxis component does on a transition from spindle to caxis mode. Note that the j[2] value is updated 
        // in the caxis component as cannot write associated net pin here as that pin is written to in caxis.
        if (prev_switchkins_type_fwd != switchkins_type)  
        {
           offset = round(*haldata->spindle_revs);
           pos->c = (*haldata->spindle_revs - offset) * 360;                     
        }
        else        
            pos->c = j[2];
    }
    prev_switchkins_type_fwd = switchkins_type;
         
    pos->tran.z = j[1];
    pos->b = j[3];   
    
    // unused coordinates:
    pos->tran.y = 0;
    pos->a = 0;
    pos->u = 0;
    pos->v = 0;
    pos->w = 0;

    return 0;

Does that mean kinematics file is using the default as described in KINS man page when switchkins_type = 0?

And maybe NoJo's kinematics file needs to be edited for my particular configuration?

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19 Dec 2023 17:36 #288604 by Aciera
Replied by Aciera on topic Axis letters vs joint numbers - does the order matter?
For example, this means 'Axis X = Joint 0'
pos->tran.x = j[0]

This one 'Axis C = Joint 2'
pos->c = j[2];

And so on.

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19 Dec 2023 17:43 #288605 by Aciera
Replied by Aciera on topic Axis letters vs joint numbers - does the order matter?
So this would be the setup from the kinematic:

Joint 0 > axis X
Joint 1 > Axis Z
Joint 2 > Axis C
Joint 3 > Axis B
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19 Dec 2023 18:09 #288606 by spumco
Replied by spumco on topic Axis letters vs joint numbers - does the order matter?
That makes so much more sense now.

Assuming I'll have to edit the comp and re-do halcompile, right?

Or rename my joints/axes to match the comp?

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19 Dec 2023 23:45 #288626 by Aciera
Replied by Aciera on topic Axis letters vs joint numbers - does the order matter?

Assuming I'll have to edit the comp and re-do halcompile, right?

Or rename my joints/axes to match the comp?

Yes
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05 Jan 2024 04:01 #289826 by spumco
Replied by spumco on topic Axis letters vs joint numbers - does the order matter?
Back on this after the holidays, but still having issues.

I've edited my INI & HAL files to match the polar_userkins.comp scheme.  i.e. C-axis is now joint 2, and all the hal connections have been changed to joint.2.xxx pin names.

HOME_USE_INDEX = 1 for joint 2 in INI
  • On startup, no immediate errors.
  • Can start the spindle with M3/M4 and stop it with M5.
  • When spindle is started, caxis.pid-enable turns off in halshow (as I believe is intended in caxis.comp)
  • As soon as spindle is off, caxis.pid-enable turns on (again, as intended - I think)
  • Attempt to home C-axis/joint 2 - spindle rotates at an appropriate speed (~60rpm), but gets an ferror after a couple of rotations
    • joint.2.index-enable & pid.c0.index-enable do NOT get set when homing starts
    • note - INI ferror set to 1000 for testing
    • Machine turns off
  • Upon re-enable it immeidately continues to attempt homing
    • Must trigger encoder.04.reset to 'clear' everything
  • If I manually set the encoder index-enable (sets)
    • encoder.04.index-enable, joint.2.index-enable, and pid.c0.index-enable all turn on
  • When it starts homing the index-enable(s) all go off when the index signal passes, but this doesn't appear to register with the homing process and it continues rotating until the ferror.
I feel like this is something simple... a bad HAL connection and the index signal isn't connected to something properly.

Maybe someone could look over my HAL file(s) and see if there's something obvious?  03SPINDLE_MAIN.hal has both the spindle and C-axis/joint stuff in it.  Using the same comps as posted earlier.

Thx
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