Operating computers in the cold

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1 year 8 months ago #320508 by rdtsc
Desiccant sounds good at first, but these do "fill up" quickly. I have dozens of these bags in a 3D printer filament storage container. Even though it is completely sealed (with a gasket), all those bags are only good for about a year. Then they all must be baked at 110degC for 8-12h to rejuvenate them; moisture is insidious.

If you try this, place a quality hygrometer inside. Will likely find that the humidity stays low for only a month or so, even with a good seal.

The moisture alone probably is not causing the inability to start. The way most computers and power supplies are designed, just is not favorable to low temperatures. Very few are, because that is not a typical use case for a computer. Section 5.6 of the RaspberryPi4B says that is good down to 0degC - but then must consider whatever power supply is used for it. The characteristics of semiconducting materials changes as temperature changes, so functionality at low temps has to be something designed into it. Once had a quirky home computer that "complained" at 19degC and refused to run at 18.

If it were my machine, I'd put a heater (like a hair dryer on low setting) near the computer, along with a thermostat. Set the thermostat to say 20degC, and just let it warm up until the thermostat starts cycling. Of course need to be careful nothing can get too hot. Warming should take an hour or more - rushing it is not advised; the whole computer needs to warm up slowly. Then run the machine. That may be easier than re-engineering a quirky power supply or replacing the computer.  Unless anyone knows of an industrial-rated computer (and power supply.) :) 

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1 year 8 months ago #322297 by Dedeer
One Solution is to get a industrial second Hand PC. I have a Beckhoff which i use with my machine for about 4-5years now and Not a Single Problem. And where i live Temperatures are as low as -10C in Winter.

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1 year 8 months ago #322305 by tommylight

And where i live Temperatures are as low as -10C in Winter.
Same here, mostly, can go down to -27 every 2-4 years and -37 twice in my lifetime ( i am old)
Last night one of my 3D printers panicked as it got under 0 in the shop, the shops are not isolated at all and have small open windows, no issue with cold ever, but lots of issue with moisture.

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1 year 8 months ago #322318 by Jdolecki
Hard drives dont like cold.
And if you running them out on the floor make sure you have a backup of the HD cause one day you gonna turn it on and it’s gonna say no HD found.

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1 year 8 months ago #322326 by tommylight

Hard drives dont like cold.
True, but i would venture a guess that up to -5C should still be OK on older drives and 0C on new-ish drives. Never tested, though as SSD are not so sensitive and i do not have HDD to test with.
I think 5 to 45C is their normal working environment temperature, but fast ones do get hot while working.

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1 year 8 months ago #322335 by Jdolecki
I had two hard drive stop working in my un heated

Now my mill has an intel nuc with solid state HD.

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1 year 3 months ago #331330 by rdtsc
Indeed Dedeer, Beckhoff has recently released a series of PCs specifically for real-time Linux: www.beckhoff.com/en-us/company/press/twi...linux-r-2024-04.html

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