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PCW wrote: There is no way to get significant current in the 24VDC wires unless the 24V supply is not floating (likely 24V common is connected to ground), or you have accidentally connectedone of the 24V leads to frame ground.I would ask one of the successful users of Ohmic probing what specific power supply they used
I'm a bit confused by this, because as @CBEAR states, the frame ground, eventually connects to the shield, and the -24 (common) side of the 24V PS anyways. The only way that would not be true is if the water pan was to be electrically isolated from the frame. I don't think that's the intent though... is it?
I run the diagram shown below. It only differs from the diagram @rodw posted in that I've added the blue lines to show the additional connections I have on my table, because they're all connected anyways through the metal frame, I wanted wires to be hooked up for later down the road when the frame rusts, etc. and the joints don't conduct electricity as well.
It does make me wonder though, looking at this, that if one forgot the ground clamp on the material, if the path could be completed through the -24V to ground? I know I've forgotten to hook up the workpiece clamp before (facepalm), and I've not yet torched any wires.
I think the whole circuit is sensitive enough that you could possibly hook it up incorrectly and still have it work. I know before the large resistor was added, I could cause a ohmic sense to occur by touching the torch and the table.
At any rate, it makes me wonder if there should be fuses anywhere? In case the plasma power source decides the best path of electricity is through the power supply, etc?
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(except via the table connection)
Other wise you could have full plasma current flow in the sense wiring
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Otherwise with the ground clamp missing the full plasma current will go back to earth ground through the power supply. Hence the need for a good quality isolated power supply.
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And yes a fuse doesn't hurt.
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PCW wrote: If you connect the THCAD shield to "Table" you must _not_ have a shield connection to Earth ground
(except via the table connection)
Other wise you could have full plasma current flow in the sense wiring
Well shit. I will remove the blue connection between the -24v and the shield.
The frame/table can stay grounded, correct? Basically the diagram below:
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Aciera wrote: Also for that reason you need to make sure your "isolated 24V power supply" is really properly isolated (ie floating). Meaning Outputs are isolated from mains AND earth ground. Some supplies have the COMM connected to earth ground for example.
Otherwise with the ground clamp missing the full plasma current will go back to earth ground through the power supply. Hence the need for a good quality isolated power supply.
Does this mean that one should NOT ground the power supply?
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And again its usually not wrong to use fuses.
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To me it actually would make a lot of sense to put a fuse in either sense line. That way even if you have the workpiece not connected to ground earth AND have a ground fault in the sense wiring the cabling is protected from overcurrents.
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As close to torch and table as possible.
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