Thanks tommylight. There is indeed a problem with the permissions, but I don't think that is the root of the matter. Doing halrun from the command line as sudo gets past the permissions but I am still getting the issue I reported above. Running as a normal user indicates there is a permissions problem.
I found this '
wiki.debian.org/HowToIdentifyADevice/USB
'.
The last section seems to indicate that there has been a change to how usb is accessed. This seems to fit in with what I have found. My Ubuntu desktop also seems to have the same arrangement.
Obviously I need to fix the permissions but there seems to be something else amiss here.
Don