Emergency Stop Circuit

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7 years 3 months ago #140603 by Hakan
Replied by Hakan on topic Emergency Stop Circuit
What I have learned is that a safety relay is the way to go.
You should get one with a delayed output, just like the allen-bradley msr138 dp (many variants, the 440R-M23143 is the one I went for). It will break two contactor circuits and also allows for 0-3 sec delayed contactor breakage, .

There are no problems to let linuxcnc act as a NC switch in the estop chain. There are actually two, duplicate estop chains. And double contactors, in series. You decide where the limit is.

There are of course many safety relays out there www.google.com/search?q=safety+relay+del...q=safety+realy+delay

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7 years 3 months ago #140604 by Hakan
Replied by Hakan on topic Emergency Stop Circuit
When it comes to what you actually can do, you are limited by the outputs.
There is one Hi->Lo at 0sec and one Hi->Lo at say 2.0 seconds,

If you want to stop your slides in any way, you get the first signal at 0sec: Hi->Lo
you need to design the servo drives' control or whatever, to start braking your slides at this point.

The second, tough point, is at 2.0 sec where the power to the slides/axis is shut.
Well, if if done right the power will be switched off now no matter what.

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7 years 3 months ago - 7 years 3 months ago #140615 by Richard J Kinch

Type_Zero_Design wrote: I am planning to implement a hardware emergency stop circuit using a contactor on the mains ... how do I tie in my control to this to have the the ability to TRIGGER an Estop via software?


This is accomplished with the same logic as any ON/OFF control with multiple AND input factors.

Be sure not to create a deficient logic design and severe hazard by overlooking another stop state complication:

Your contactor should not energize if the mains power fails and then comes back on. You need a manual, dedicated, momentary, physical START button that must be manually actuated to energize the contactor under all possible states and event paths, not just an ON/OFF breaker or E-STOP. An E-STOP alone is not enough. It must be manual-only with no automatic operation possible.

So you must have an extra button, and an extra relay, in the system, that prevents the system from self-starting if the switches are left on with the mains power off. Otherwise you have the hazard of machinery starting unexpectedly if your attention lapses around a power interruption. The mains supply from the utility amounts to another logic state in the system, so don't forget to include that in your logic state diagram and planning.

The simplest method is to have the contactor signal supply voltage downstream of the contactor, with a momentary START button that manually backfeeds the contactor coil, to "bootstrap" the contactor to its on state. You want that bootstrap action to always be the manual effort of an intelligent human being, never automatic, and never a state switch.

This way, if the mains power drops out on the running machine, the machine doesn't start running again when the power returns. A power dropout is something that always needs manual attention.
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7 years 3 months ago #140982 by Type_Zero_Design
So after thinking about this some more, I've changed my plan to match this schematic.

I'm going to add the latching delayed relay FOR R1 for 1-2 seconds to allow the control the opportunity to give stop command before cutting the power. Which will be triggered by LCNC monitoring the signal at R1. Comanding a stop when the signal drops while R1 holds latched for 2 seconds before breaking K1s power.

Interested to hear feedback on this.

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