Mesa StepGen ouputs with Yaskawa servos

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14 Apr 2020 11:47 #163937 by johnbl
Hi,

I would like to drive my Yaskawa servos with step/dir differential outputs from a 7i96, and found this in the servo's manual:



Does that mean that the differential output voltage should be 3.3V instead of the 5V from the 7i96?
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14 Apr 2020 11:55 #163940 by bbsr_5a
the servopack shout accept the 5V as it is standard the SN is only for controls that work on 24V signaling

please give the correct yaskawa drive number to confirm the input

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14 Apr 2020 12:45 - 14 Apr 2020 12:58 #163942 by PCW
With the input circuitry shown, the Opto LED current will be roughly 12 to 18 mA.
adding a ~120 ohm series resistor will get you in the middle of that range with 5V drive.
(and 75 to 180 ohms should work)
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14 Apr 2020 12:46 - 14 Apr 2020 13:02 #163943 by johnbl
It's a SGD7S servopack.

Thanks PCW. Too bad an extra resistor is needed.
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28 Aug 2020 15:23 - 28 Aug 2020 15:23 #179849 by johnbl

With the input circuitry shown, the Opto LED current will be roughly 12 to 18 mA.
adding a ~120 ohm series resistor will get you in the middle of that range with 5V drive.
(and 75 to 180 ohms should work)

Does this also apply to the 7i85S differential outputs? It looks like it uses different drivers.
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28 Aug 2020 15:35 - 28 Aug 2020 15:36 #179851 by PCW
Yes, all Mesa daughter card step/dir differential outputs have 5V swings
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18 Nov 2021 15:02 #226876 by johnbl
So I've been finally able to connect my Yaskawa servos to my 7i85s but I'm getting mixed results: it seems like the pulse train is not reliable and sometimes the servo drive does not recognize the pulses.

After taking a closer look at the 7i85s and assuming I can read correctly the datasheet of the ISL32174E used as differential driver, the diff. output voltage is not 5V but more like 4V. Not a huge issue, with a 120R series resistor there should still be about 10mA flowing through the opto-LED.

However I also noticed that the step/dir outputs from the fpga are terminated with a Thevenin termination (220R pullup to 3.3V and 470R pulldown to ground), which brings the voltage down to about 2.3V.
As per the ISL3217 datasheet, this is below the minimum 2.7V required for a logic HIGH.
Could this be the issue or am I wide of the mark?

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18 Nov 2021 15:28 #226879 by PCW
The open circuit voltage of the terminator will be close to 2.3V but driven high ,
it will be closer to 2.7 or 2.8V (and about .4V when driven low) I don't think this is an
issue. What step length are you using? I would always start with at least 2X the drives
minimum step length value.
 

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18 Nov 2021 15:34 #226880 by johnbl
Right, I can indeed measure about 2.8V. Still, this seems way too close to the minimum threshold.

I'm currently using 1us wide pulses for steps and 5us for dir, which is well within spec:
 
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18 Nov 2021 15:58 - 18 Nov 2021 16:03 #226884 by PCW
2.8V is a legal high (the actual input thresholds are about 1.7V)
Its also about the best you can do into termination with 3.3V drive.

Note that the minimum VIH and VIL specifications are not the
input threshold values but the minimum high and low levels to
guarantee sufficient noise margin (typically 1.0V for TTL interface
levels like these)

As an experiment, you can get a bit higher drive by setting the
FPGA card I/O to 3.3V tolerant mode which reduces the output
resistance, but this is not the issue, its something else.
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