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Looking for a replacement or way to fix my smoked turret encoder on the CHNC II
03 Oct 2023 15:58 #282170
by Loren
Looking for a replacement or way to fix my smoked turret encoder on the CHNC II was created by Loren
Found the CRT circuitry was fried so we replaced it with an LCD unit, then found the spindle and axes work nice but a whirlygig turret showed another problem. If someone here knows a way to solve this obsolete part problem, let me know? I have work for this machine if I can get it going. converting to gang tool was mentioned but with only 4-1/2" of X travel that seems awfully limiting. I think it's a 1990, it's a Hardinge CHNC II.
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03 Oct 2023 17:36 #282181
by tommylight
Replied by tommylight on topic Looking for a replacement or way to fix my smoked turret encoder on the CHNC II
Seems like hal sensors, at least i can not see a slot for optical ones.
Should be easy enough to test and/or replace, they react to magnetic field.
3D printing another case/mount would also be an option, if you have to change it.
Should be easy enough to test and/or replace, they react to magnetic field.
3D printing another case/mount would also be an option, if you have to change it.
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03 Oct 2023 18:20 #282185
by Loren
Replied by Loren on topic Looking for a replacement or way to fix my smoked turret encoder on the CHNC II
Repair tech said they are reed switches?
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03 Oct 2023 18:33 #282188
by Aciera
Replied by Aciera on topic Looking for a replacement or way to fix my smoked turret encoder on the CHNC II
unlikely as those would have bounce. Pretty sure those are hall sensors. I guess your options also depend on the situation like how much space do you have and whether you have a shaft to maybe couple another encoder model to.Repair tech said they are reed switches?
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03 Oct 2023 18:37 - 03 Oct 2023 18:55 #282189
by Aciera
Replied by Aciera on topic Looking for a replacement or way to fix my smoked turret encoder on the CHNC II
Is this the same or similar situation?
forum.linuxcnc.org/30-cnc-machines/1276-...hnc-1-lathe?start=18
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looks like it might actually be the very same tantalum cap that shorted.
forum.linuxcnc.org/30-cnc-machines/1276-...hnc-1-lathe?start=18
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looks like it might actually be the very same tantalum cap that shorted.
Last edit: 03 Oct 2023 18:55 by Aciera.
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03 Oct 2023 19:25 #282194
by spumco
Either way, there's a magnet in the turret plate (sub-plate that engages the Hirth coupling) that triggers one of the switches when the plate is rotated to the correct position. And likely one wire/conductor per switch, plus a power or ground wire. My guess is that there's no 'encoding' function - just a simple one-to-one position per switch scheme.
Check your cable and see if there are 9 or 10 conductors. If they're reeds you may even be able to do some continuity checks with a magnet (don't need power for reeds) and see which one(s) are dead.
If you don't want to try to dig out the dead switch(s), it looks like a circuit board potted in epoxy or similar. Should be do-able to buy a PCB perf board & some hall switches (or reeds) and mount them at the same radius as the original part. Wire/solder them to a header and connect a cable back to your control - can test the arrangement on the bench using a magnet and a power supply.
If it works, a 3d printed box or mount can be modeled/printed based on the potted board, and the whole thing coated with epoxy for oil/coolant resistance (3D printed parts aren't watertight).
Replied by spumco on topic Looking for a replacement or way to fix my smoked turret encoder on the CHNC II
[assuming someone who'd been inside one of these things doesn't come along...here's my thoughts]Repair tech said they are reed switches?
Either way, there's a magnet in the turret plate (sub-plate that engages the Hirth coupling) that triggers one of the switches when the plate is rotated to the correct position. And likely one wire/conductor per switch, plus a power or ground wire. My guess is that there's no 'encoding' function - just a simple one-to-one position per switch scheme.
Check your cable and see if there are 9 or 10 conductors. If they're reeds you may even be able to do some continuity checks with a magnet (don't need power for reeds) and see which one(s) are dead.
If you don't want to try to dig out the dead switch(s), it looks like a circuit board potted in epoxy or similar. Should be do-able to buy a PCB perf board & some hall switches (or reeds) and mount them at the same radius as the original part. Wire/solder them to a header and connect a cable back to your control - can test the arrangement on the bench using a magnet and a power supply.
If it works, a 3d printed box or mount can be modeled/printed based on the potted board, and the whole thing coated with epoxy for oil/coolant resistance (3D printed parts aren't watertight).
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03 Oct 2023 19:34 #282195
by Loren
Replied by Loren on topic Looking for a replacement or way to fix my smoked turret encoder on the CHNC II
There is a shaft that sticks up just past this to mount the magnet on. There's a bit over 1/2" room under the cover.
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03 Oct 2023 19:40 #282196
by Loren
Replied by Loren on topic Looking for a replacement or way to fix my smoked turret encoder on the CHNC II
Magnet mounts on the shaft through this, and above it.
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03 Oct 2023 19:41 #282197
by spumco
Replied by spumco on topic Looking for a replacement or way to fix my smoked turret encoder on the CHNC II
I think @Aciera nailed it. Looks like the cap died and blew off the potting.
Maybe you can just replace the cap and be back in business.
Maybe you can just replace the cap and be back in business.
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03 Oct 2023 19:42 #282198
by Loren
Replied by Loren on topic Looking for a replacement or way to fix my smoked turret encoder on the CHNC II
This tiny print on the phone is too hard to follow, I'll get back to you on the pc later, but there are 6 leads out of this unit.
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