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Circular path (or any path that require two axis movement at one time)
7 years 7 months ago #128514
by Python
Hello,
I've been building a CNC machine for a while. And of course I've been struggling from time to time, because lack of knowledge, but thanks to this forum and many many topics, that saved a lot of time and nerve.
First of all, I would like to tell you about what problems I've been facing in the past.
At first there was some inaccuracies in distance due to poor quality rack and pinion system.
Then there was a lot of noise and movement with vibration due to stepper motor and pinion. Pinion was mounted straight on the motor axle. Today we solved this by instaling custom made gear reduction system (1:4 (pinion turns one time, while motor turns 4 time's at the same time). At this moment machine works really silent and has power that meets our needs. Speed is a little bit to slow, but that is okey, because machine works only at full speed when it is'nt cutting (160mm/s). Also we upgraded rack and pinion from M1.5 to M2.0.
But now we are facing kind of "new" problem. We thought that until we matched parts that were cut before machine upgrade and pieces that we are cutting now. So the problem is that when only one axis is moving there are no problems, the cut is flawless. But when I want to cut part that needs two axis movement, when the cut gets some kind wavy no matter at what speed I'm cutting that purt (5-50mm/s). Old parts wavy cut kind of matches the new parts wavy cut. And now I don't know what to do.
I tried using G-Code from other software (Always used Vectric, there wasn't so such problem on other machine).
Also tried to set up machine settings from very start. Tried chaging microstepping setting also amperage from driver.
Machine is equiped with
NEMA34(85BYGH450C-060),
Drivers DQ860MA,
power supply 60V
BOB from china for a few bucks (that one with the relay),
Linux CNC installed in DELL DV051.
Maybe someone has an idea, what can be possibly wrong?
I'm thinking that the BOB is sending pulses to slow (MAX servo thread was 27k while surfing net, watching youtube, etc.)
OR there some isues with my PC.
Thank YOU in advance.
I've been building a CNC machine for a while. And of course I've been struggling from time to time, because lack of knowledge, but thanks to this forum and many many topics, that saved a lot of time and nerve.
First of all, I would like to tell you about what problems I've been facing in the past.
At first there was some inaccuracies in distance due to poor quality rack and pinion system.
Then there was a lot of noise and movement with vibration due to stepper motor and pinion. Pinion was mounted straight on the motor axle. Today we solved this by instaling custom made gear reduction system (1:4 (pinion turns one time, while motor turns 4 time's at the same time). At this moment machine works really silent and has power that meets our needs. Speed is a little bit to slow, but that is okey, because machine works only at full speed when it is'nt cutting (160mm/s). Also we upgraded rack and pinion from M1.5 to M2.0.
But now we are facing kind of "new" problem. We thought that until we matched parts that were cut before machine upgrade and pieces that we are cutting now. So the problem is that when only one axis is moving there are no problems, the cut is flawless. But when I want to cut part that needs two axis movement, when the cut gets some kind wavy no matter at what speed I'm cutting that purt (5-50mm/s). Old parts wavy cut kind of matches the new parts wavy cut. And now I don't know what to do.
I tried using G-Code from other software (Always used Vectric, there wasn't so such problem on other machine).
Also tried to set up machine settings from very start. Tried chaging microstepping setting also amperage from driver.
Machine is equiped with
NEMA34(85BYGH450C-060),
Drivers DQ860MA,
power supply 60V
BOB from china for a few bucks (that one with the relay),
Linux CNC installed in DELL DV051.
Maybe someone has an idea, what can be possibly wrong?
I'm thinking that the BOB is sending pulses to slow (MAX servo thread was 27k while surfing net, watching youtube, etc.)
OR there some isues with my PC.
Thank YOU in advance.
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7 years 7 months ago #128515
by Leon82
Replied by Leon82 on topic Circular path (or any path that require two axis movement at one time)
Harmonics thru the spindle?
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7 years 7 months ago #128516
by Python
Replied by Python on topic Circular path (or any path that require two axis movement at one time)
Forgot to mention one thing. Let's say, that I put MDF 18mm material and I cut it part in to steps, first I cut it in 9mm depth and then all the way to the bottom. After the part is cut, both waves are idealy the same and they match perfect on the same part, as seen in a photo with the letter "A".
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7 years 7 months ago #128518
by Clive S
Personally I think that 60V is to low for nema 24 motors (but the drives may not handle more!!)
Also is the power supply able to supply the current to drive two motors?
Have you checked for back lash?
Replied by Clive S on topic Circular path (or any path that require two axis movement at one time)
Machine is equiped with
NEMA34(85BYGH450C-060),
Drivers DQ860MA,
power supply 60V
BOB from china for a few bucks (that one with the relay),
Linux CNC installed in DELL DV051.
Maybe someone has an idea, what can be possibly wrong?
Personally I think that 60V is to low for nema 24 motors (but the drives may not handle more!!)
Also is the power supply able to supply the current to drive two motors?
Have you checked for back lash?
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7 years 7 months ago #128519
by Python
Replied by Python on topic Circular path (or any path that require two axis movement at one time)
Clive s:
There is a seperate pover supply for seperate driver. Each motor have it's own pover supply and the driver.
No, there is no backlash, I checked it with the gauge.
Leon82:
How to check is there any harmonics? It's new to me, never heard of it before.
There is a seperate pover supply for seperate driver. Each motor have it's own pover supply and the driver.
No, there is no backlash, I checked it with the gauge.
Leon82:
How to check is there any harmonics? It's new to me, never heard of it before.
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7 years 7 months ago #128524
by PCW
Replied by PCW on topic Circular path (or any path that require two axis movement at one time)
Does the pitch of the wobble match either pulley or belt?
a non concentric pulley or stretched belt might do this
a non concentric pulley or stretched belt might do this
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7 years 7 months ago #128536
by Todd Zuercher
Replied by Todd Zuercher on topic Circular path (or any path that require two axis movement at one time)
Is one or both axis rack and pinion? If so a pinion gear that isn't properly meshing with the rack can give those results.
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7 years 7 months ago #128568
by Python
Replied by Python on topic Circular path (or any path that require two axis movement at one time)
UPDATE:
Yesterday I've been "playing" with as many solutions as I can think of, but nothing changed anything. So the friend of mine gave me computer, that have had Mach 3 installed, after some time, I managed to configure my CNC and tried to cut circle to no avail. Waving was exactly as cutting with the Linux CNC, so I think, that there are no software issues.
I think, that I have to recheck hardware of the machine as other members suggested.
Yesterday I've been "playing" with as many solutions as I can think of, but nothing changed anything. So the friend of mine gave me computer, that have had Mach 3 installed, after some time, I managed to configure my CNC and tried to cut circle to no avail. Waving was exactly as cutting with the Linux CNC, so I think, that there are no software issues.
I think, that I have to recheck hardware of the machine as other members suggested.
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7 years 7 months ago #128569
by Python
Replied by Python on topic Circular path (or any path that require two axis movement at one time)
Yes, Todd, both axis are rack and pinion. I'll check meshing as soon as possible.
PCW, in my opinion and observation there is no wobble in gearing. The belt isn't tightened to much. IMHO.
But I'll check it one more time, to be sure.
PCW, in my opinion and observation there is no wobble in gearing. The belt isn't tightened to much. IMHO.
But I'll check it one more time, to be sure.
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7 years 7 months ago #128572
by Leon82
Replied by Leon82 on topic Circular path (or any path that require two axis movement at one time)
Are you climb milling?
If there is slack the tool can be pulling the slack forward.
Try conventional milling a pass
If there is slack the tool can be pulling the slack forward.
Try conventional milling a pass
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