Retrofitting a 1986 Maho MH400E

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03 Dec 2018 14:22 #121751 by RotarySMP
Sorry John, I didn't get to that transformer question over the weekend.
Mark

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03 Dec 2018 17:50 - 03 Dec 2018 17:53 #121758 by RotarySMP
Hi John,

I pulled the cover and had a look.





In the schematic of my machine, that point is marked mP, which might be Messpunkt (point to take measurements). At least there are defined measuring points on the relay board called MP with a number in a circle.

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I left it open for now, so if you need better pictures or a different angle, just let me know.
Mark
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03 Dec 2018 18:42 #121760 by drimaropoylos
Thank you very much.
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03 Dec 2018 19:51 #121765 by cgroth
Hi all, I think Mp rather means "Mittelpunkt" middle point as this is the middle of the symmetrical winding. The Indramats need symmetric supply, the DC motor is connected between Mp and the Thyristor Half-Bridge, swinging that end to either +140V or -140V. To achieve accurate response, windings have to be symmetric in number of windings and impedance.

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04 Dec 2018 07:10 #121800 by RotarySMP
Thanks Christian. I guess that explains the difference in the wiring diagrams between mP and MP.

How is your MHx00C retrofit coming along?
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05 Dec 2018 08:01 - 05 Dec 2018 09:43 #121853 by RotarySMP
I have an couple of question for Andy Pugh, and anyone else who have done any gearbox.comps.

Do you have any suggestions how we can deal with Linuxcnc reacting to a spindle stop, by not only setting motion.spindle-on to false, but also setting motion.spindle.speed.out.abs to zero?

Example:
Spindle running at S500 , change to S1000 encountered in a gcode program:
- linuxcnc parses the change in S, sets motion.spindle.speed.out.abs1000
- gearbox.comp reacts to the change in S. Detects spindle running, commands a stop through halui.spindle.stop # see second issue below.
- gearbox is waiting for spindle.is.stopped to go high
- linuxcnc detects requested change in spindle state , sets motion.spindle-on false but also resets motion.spindle.speed.out.ab 0
- spindle.is.stoppped goes high
- gearbox.comp continues with gearchange, sets gearbox to match motion.spindle.speed.out.abs
- gearbox goes into neutral.

Linuxcnc is remembering last user commanded speed with an internal variable, as M3 not only restarts the spindle, but also resets motion.spindle.speed.out.abs back to that user last commanded speed. Can gearbox.comp get access to that variable? If we could have the gearbox finish the gear change to that, it would fix our problem.

2/ In the halshow's command line, we tried setp motion.spindle-on false but linuxcnc does not appear to let you set one if its internal output pins in this way. Does anyone else have a suggestion how we could give the gearbox.comp a means of stopping the spindle, without netting to halui.spindle.stop?
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05 Dec 2018 11:09 - 05 Dec 2018 11:29 #121859 by drimaropoylos
I thing that the logic should be like this. The gearchange.comp file should directly control spindle and gearbox and not by the Halui.
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05 Dec 2018 11:19 - 05 Dec 2018 11:36 #121861 by drimaropoylos
The default behavior of motion.spindle.speed.out.abs is to go to 0 rpm when motion.spindle-on goes false (0).
John
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05 Dec 2018 11:32 - 05 Dec 2018 11:36 #121862 by RotarySMP

The default behavior of motion.spindle.speed.out.abs is to go to 0 when motion.spindle-on goes false (0).
John


Thanks John,
Yes. That is the problem :( .On a gearbox machine, it makes no sense to command zero speed when you actually want off. Even on a VFD this makes little sense, as the stop/start function is normally separate from the speed function. On a gearbox machine, it would be best to simply display current gearbox speed, and leave it alone when the machine stops. So what we now need is a work around the default behavour.

Your block diagram almost exactly captures what we have, except that the gearbox.comp can not set motion.spindle-on as it is an out pin from the core.comp of linuxcnc.

I thing that the logic should like this. The gearchange.comp file should directly controls spindle and gearbox and not by the Halui.
John

Agreed, we want the gearbox disconnected from the halui, but we haven't been able to identify any other way of stopping the spindle than to go through halui.spindle.stop.
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05 Dec 2018 11:41 #121863 by drimaropoylos
This is what I meant with the diagram
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