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30 Jul 2026 01:28 - 30 Jul 2026 01:29 #348189 by tommylight
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TL431 was/is some type of low current voltage regulator of reference or ... been over 30 years, so it can not send anything to big resistors.
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Start over:
-get some cheap drives, the so called "TB6600" that do not use the TB6600 chip are very good as they are the cheapest boxed drives, i have probably over 40 in daily use
-Get a MeanWell or Delta power supply, 24V (no, not 36V nor 48V) and 200W or 8.something amps, it is more than enough for 4 or 5 or 6 drives at full current of 3.5A (they are rated at 4.5 or 5A online), never mind the math for now.
-get a used PC with parallel port, or buy an add on parallel port
-wire the drives to the PC, with no BOB (your choice, i never use them)
-start making chips.
Oh cr@p, i just went back and :
-forget the parallel port
-those drives are fine, i have them for over two years.
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30 Jul 2026 01:53 #348190 by rodw
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So much advice already but a coupe of pointers including from some gecko docs I read years ago.
1. Doubling the motor voltage almost quadruples available torque
2. Any power supply for CNC can be overrated by about 40% so for 3 or 4 x 2 amp motors a 5 amp power supply is plenty
3, If a drive does not have a max temperature spec, be guided by the temperature the windings start to melt which is typically around 130 deg C but your motors are silent on that too. 80-100 deg C is fine

I always run 48 volts and sometimes as high as 90 volts but on a small machine I might consider 36 volts depending on manufacturers recommendations. 24 volts leaves too much available torque on the table.
I would prefer you to use seperate power supplies with the 7i96
Meanwell MDR-10-5 for logic (5v)
Meanwell MDR-60-24 for field power (24v) MDR-40-24 is Ok too.
Meanwell NDR-240-48 (48 volts) for motors but a LRS-350-48 (7 amps) might be cheaper and is a popular choice.
 
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30 Jul 2026 02:34 #348192 by Logthor
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I like the idea of using a capacitor. I would just put that capacitor in parallel between the positive and negative terminals and add a bleeder resistor also in parallel also between the two terminals, correct? And this would protect my PSU and stepper drivers?

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30 Jul 2026 02:42 #348193 by Logthor
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I always run 48 volts and sometimes as high as 90 volts but on a small machine I might consider 36 volts depending on manufacturers recommendations. 24 volts leaves too much available torque on the table.
I would prefer you to use seperate power supplies with the 7i96
Meanwell MDR-10-5 for logic (5v)
Meanwell MDR-60-24 for field power (24v) MDR-40-24 is Ok too.
Meanwell NDR-240-48 (48 volts) for motors but a LRS-350-48 (7 amps) might be cheaper and is a popular choice.

I can spend that much but I feel like I'm already splurging with this card. I also feel that the NDR-240-48 might be tool little current. Just curious but why should I swap to a separate power supply for the 7i96.

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30 Jul 2026 03:04 #348194 by rodw
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I can't see where you mentioned how many drives you are using. For CNC all motors are almost never running in unison and requiring full current is rarely needed. 3 motors at 2 amps = 6 amps. 6/1.4 = 4.3 amp power supply required.As I said a 7 amp power supply is probably cheaper.

If you follow my advice and run a higher voltage power supply for motors, you need a seperate 24 volt power supply for field power. Whilst you could use a buck power supply for 5 volt logic but the power supply I suggested is only about $20. Given the number of issues I've seen where people have tried to use 5v plugpacks or phone chargers for mesa cards, the extra $10 is a small price to pay for reliability.
 

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30 Jul 2026 03:27 - 30 Jul 2026 03:33 #348195 by NWE
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Certainly use separate PSU for motor drives vs other electronics. I had overlooked that detail. Most motor drives produce lots of electrical noise which will tend to interfere with the other electronics.

Yes, if you use a capacitor, connect direct to PSU output. A lot of these capacitors have only the -- terminal marked. Make sure you do not connect it backwards. I did by mistake one day, electrolytic capacitors burst when powered backwards. Connect capacitor+ to PSU+ and capacitor-- to PSU--

With your 20A PSU I would not bother, it already contains enough capacitors. Quality Delta and Mean Well PSUs 7A will certainly work. Cheap off-brand knockoffs 7A might work but be plenty small as they are built so light.
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30 Jul 2026 03:30 #348196 by Logthor
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Given the number of issues I've seen where people have tried to use 5v plugpacks or phone chargers for mesa cards, the extra $10 is a small price to pay for reliability.

I will probably get that device then.

I can't see where you mentioned how many drives you are using.

I'm using three drives

If you follow my advice and run a higher voltage power supply for motors, you need a seperate 24 volt power supply for field power.

Is it really that significant? Using a 48V PSU vs a 24V psu. Unrelated, but I feel like you may be sponsored by meanwell.

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30 Jul 2026 03:33 #348197 by Logthor
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Noted, I kind of like rodw's idea with the separate power supplies.

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30 Jul 2026 03:37 #348198 by tommylight
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1. Doubling the motor voltage almost quadruples available torque
 

No Rod, not always, ONLY at higher RPM, and "higher RPM" for stepper motor hugely depends on size, inertia, inductance...

2. Any power supply for CNC can be overrated by about 40% so for 3 or 4 x 2 amp motors a 5 amp power supply is plenty
 

This is OK, but NOT a rule, and it is not overrated, it is underrated.
The only simple general "rule" would be :more voltage = less current, but that does not explain much
There is to much math involved there, together with the above mentioned inductance, etc

3, If a drive does not have a max temperature spec, be guided by the temperature the windings start to melt which is typically around 130 deg C but your motors are silent on that too. 80-100 deg C is fine
 

Or simply, if you put your hand on the motor and your skin does not remain attached to the motor, all is good, despite hurting absolutely unbearably to much.
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I can't see where you mentioned how many drives you are using. For CNC all motors are almost never running in unison and requiring full current is rarely needed.
 

Stepper motors will draw the maximum current when not turning at all, but most drives have a setting for it to lower current when idle, usually at half the set current.

3 motors at 2 amps = 6 amps. 6/1.4 = 4.3 amp power supply required.As I said a 7 amp power supply is probably cheaper.
 

Don't, this implies it is a rule,it is not.
Stick to underrating 40-50% for 24-48V power supplies, 50-70% for 90-130V, roughly. So the lower the voltage = less underrating.
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30 Jul 2026 03:38 - 30 Jul 2026 03:44 #348199 by NWE
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Is it really that significant? Using a 48V PSU vs a 24V psu. Unrelated, but I feel like you may be sponsored by meanwell.


 

No, I can second most of rodw's numbers. I nearly said the same thing earlier and didn't bother, as your original list looked like a good start.

You will get much better speed from your steppers if you power the drives with 48V

The greatest improvement will be that the fast moves between cuts will be faster.
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