Fujitsu Siemens E5600 - any known issues?
11 Feb 2014 07:30 - 11 Feb 2014 07:32 #43732
by birchy
Fujitsu Siemens E5600 - any known issues? was created by birchy
I've been offered the above PC with an AMD Athlon 939 3500+ CPU. It has onboard graphics using the SiS761 chipset. I'm unable to test the PC before purchasing, so am wondering if there are any known issues before I part with my hard-earned?
More info:
uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/tech...o/e/esprimoe5600.htm
uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/tech...itsu/D2264/D2264.htm
More info:
uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/tech...o/e/esprimoe5600.htm
uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/tech...itsu/D2264/D2264.htm
Last edit: 11 Feb 2014 07:32 by birchy.
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18 Feb 2014 08:16 - 18 Feb 2014 08:35 #43930
by birchy
Replied by birchy on topic Fujitsu Siemens E5600 - SiS761 graphics driver?
I took the plunge and bought the E5600. I have installed Debian Wheezy, Seb's 3.4.55 rtai kernel and LinuxCNC. Latency looks pretty decent, however the graphics resolution is poor. I *think* it is using the Vesa driver (lspci -vv doesn't show which driver is in use) and I've had to select 800x600 resolution because the display is partially off screen using the only 2 higher options of 960x600 or 960x540.
Has anyone had previous experience with this hardware? How can I get a better resolution such as 1024x760 or higher?
EDIT:
As Sod's law goes...I just found a solution right after posting this question! For future reference:
1. reboot into recovery console
2. enter root password
3. X -configure
4. cp xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
5. reboot
Display is now automagically 1024x760. Strange that Debian didn't do this when I installed though...
$ lspci
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter
Has anyone had previous experience with this hardware? How can I get a better resolution such as 1024x760 or higher?
EDIT:
As Sod's law goes...I just found a solution right after posting this question! For future reference:
1. reboot into recovery console
2. enter root password
3. X -configure
4. cp xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
5. reboot
Display is now automagically 1024x760. Strange that Debian didn't do this when I installed though...
Last edit: 18 Feb 2014 08:35 by birchy.
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18 Feb 2014 18:05 #43942
by ArcEye
Replied by ArcEye on topic Fujitsu Siemens E5600 - SiS761 graphics driver?
Hi
You should be using the driver from the xserver-xorg-video-sis package, assuming your card was detected properly at boot.
If you look through dmesg it will show what was detected and the video modes allegedly supported by the monitor.
If it an older monitor, it can give problems, I used to have all sorts of problems with this monitor until I switched to running on HDMI all the time.
Even though it is a new high spec monitor, Ubuntu 12.04 completely failed to recognise it on VGA and dumped down to 1024x768, which looks pretty stupid on a 24" monitor.
I have only ever run it on HDMI under Wheezy and it picked it up straight away with both the on board Intel chipset and later with a nvidia GPU
If it is an AGP or PCI card, looks like you can use your overflowing spares box to see if one of the other cards works better!![:laugh: :laugh:](/media/kunena/emoticons/laughing.png)
regards
You should be using the driver from the xserver-xorg-video-sis package, assuming your card was detected properly at boot.
If you look through dmesg it will show what was detected and the video modes allegedly supported by the monitor.
If it an older monitor, it can give problems, I used to have all sorts of problems with this monitor until I switched to running on HDMI all the time.
Even though it is a new high spec monitor, Ubuntu 12.04 completely failed to recognise it on VGA and dumped down to 1024x768, which looks pretty stupid on a 24" monitor.
I have only ever run it on HDMI under Wheezy and it picked it up straight away with both the on board Intel chipset and later with a nvidia GPU
If it is an AGP or PCI card, looks like you can use your overflowing spares box to see if one of the other cards works better!
![:laugh: :laugh:](/media/kunena/emoticons/laughing.png)
regards
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19 Feb 2014 01:28 #43953
by birchy
Replied by birchy on topic Fujitsu Siemens E5600 - SiS761 graphics driver?
Hello my friend! ![:laugh: :laugh:](/media/kunena/emoticons/laughing.png)
Yeah, I noticed yesterday that Synaptic is showing that xserver-xorg-video-sis is installed, but the auto-generated xorg.conf is using the Vesa driver. I have no idea why Debian decided to install the sis driver but use Vesa for the SiS762 on-board graphics. My monitor is a fairly old 4:3 17" TFT, so the 1024x768 resolution looks OK. Despite my curiosity, it's probably best left alone!
One other odd thing with this motherboard is that it appears dead if I use the 24-pin power supply, but runs fine using only a 20-pin plug. My power supply is over spec compared to the original Fujitsu Siemens one, so shouldn't be a problem. I tried a Radeon 5450 HD card in the PCI-E slot and had no power related issues.
Any thoughts on that?
![:laugh: :laugh:](/media/kunena/emoticons/laughing.png)
Yeah, I noticed yesterday that Synaptic is showing that xserver-xorg-video-sis is installed, but the auto-generated xorg.conf is using the Vesa driver. I have no idea why Debian decided to install the sis driver but use Vesa for the SiS762 on-board graphics. My monitor is a fairly old 4:3 17" TFT, so the 1024x768 resolution looks OK. Despite my curiosity, it's probably best left alone!
One other odd thing with this motherboard is that it appears dead if I use the 24-pin power supply, but runs fine using only a 20-pin plug. My power supply is over spec compared to the original Fujitsu Siemens one, so shouldn't be a problem. I tried a Radeon 5450 HD card in the PCI-E slot and had no power related issues.
Any thoughts on that?
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19 Feb 2014 01:54 #43954
by ArcEye
Replied by ArcEye on topic Fujitsu Siemens E5600 - SiS761 graphics driver?
Some of the Fujitsu Siemens computers tend to be very modular, you can swap out HDD, DVD, the entire PCI extention module etc just by undoing a few clips.
Made them very easy for IT departments to repair and maintain, it does not suprise me they have different PSUs and plugs.
As far as which video card to use, you are in uncharted waters here. At least you have a few to choose from!
It is often not necessarily the most powerfull or newest card that does best, one that just takes the load off the CPU and system memory without any negative effects can be something as neolithic as the 32MB AGP ones that I use,
whatever suits the system.
Hopefully you will finish your odyssey soon and get around to turning metal into swarf![:) :)](/media/kunena/emoticons/smile.png)
regards
Made them very easy for IT departments to repair and maintain, it does not suprise me they have different PSUs and plugs.
As far as which video card to use, you are in uncharted waters here. At least you have a few to choose from!
It is often not necessarily the most powerfull or newest card that does best, one that just takes the load off the CPU and system memory without any negative effects can be something as neolithic as the 32MB AGP ones that I use,
whatever suits the system.
Hopefully you will finish your odyssey soon and get around to turning metal into swarf
![:) :)](/media/kunena/emoticons/smile.png)
regards
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19 Feb 2014 03:04 #43958
by birchy
Replied by birchy on topic Fujitsu Siemens E5600 - SiS761 graphics driver?
I think I'm addicted to farting about with software! The onboard graphics seem to work fine and latency is around the 6K mark, despite my best efforts to make it spike. To be honest, having had several months of 25K+ motherboards and testing every trick in the book to get them <15K, I'm a bit overwhelmed to find a setup that produces <8K latency with default BIOS settings and no O.S. tweaks'.
I don't have the whole PC - just the mobo with an AMD 3500+ processor. For the price of 2 pints, I'm finally happy! Still got a lot of work to do on the milling machine conversion, which is not helped by me being a perfectionist!
Thanks for your help, it is much appreciated and I've learnt a lot over recent months.
My next LinuxCNC related problem will be getting speed control on the spindle. It's using an Altivar 312 inverter drive and my BOB only has 3 output pins free and no speed control. I believe I can control speed using the LAN and RJ45 ports?
I don't have the whole PC - just the mobo with an AMD 3500+ processor. For the price of 2 pints, I'm finally happy! Still got a lot of work to do on the milling machine conversion, which is not helped by me being a perfectionist!
Thanks for your help, it is much appreciated and I've learnt a lot over recent months.
My next LinuxCNC related problem will be getting speed control on the spindle. It's using an Altivar 312 inverter drive and my BOB only has 3 output pins free and no speed control. I believe I can control speed using the LAN and RJ45 ports?
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19 Feb 2014 04:05 #43959
by ArcEye
Replied by ArcEye on topic Fujitsu Siemens E5600 - SiS761 graphics driver?
At last a good board ![:woohoo: :woohoo:](/media/kunena/emoticons/w00t.png)
I use speed boards on my machines, set the spindle as a velocity stepgen and output on two pins, it converts the steps to 0 - 10v for speed control and dir powers a relay for M3/M4
I'll post some details of the UK supplier tomorrow
![:woohoo: :woohoo:](/media/kunena/emoticons/w00t.png)
I use speed boards on my machines, set the spindle as a velocity stepgen and output on two pins, it converts the steps to 0 - 10v for speed control and dir powers a relay for M3/M4
I'll post some details of the UK supplier tomorrow
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19 Feb 2014 07:47 - 19 Feb 2014 07:55 #43963
by birchy
Replied by birchy on topic Fujitsu Siemens E5600 - SiS761 graphics driver?
Have you ever tried this? wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?VFD_Modbus
Or is it likely to result in pain?
I've found this converter: www.diycnc.co.uk/html/spindle_boards.html but will eagerly await your recommendations. Also, I'm quite handy with a soldering iron and some stripboard if you know of any circuits?
Or is it likely to result in pain?
I've found this converter: www.diycnc.co.uk/html/spindle_boards.html but will eagerly await your recommendations. Also, I'm quite handy with a soldering iron and some stripboard if you know of any circuits?
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19 Feb 2014 15:47 - 19 Feb 2014 21:00 #43969
by ArcEye
Replied by ArcEye on topic Fujitsu Siemens E5600 - SiS761 graphics driver?
Hi,
That is the guy, I have 3 of his speed boards, they just work.
He does sell kits at slightly reduced prices, but quite frankly there are so many surface mount components, a couple of extra quid far outweighs the hassle.
So long as your VFD / DC Speed Controller or whatever, takes a potentiometer type control for 0 - 10v, which nearly all do, that is by far the simplest way to control spindle speed.
There is a modbus component, so it is possible, but unless you are trying to retrofit a machine with it all already in place, you would have to be a masochist to go that route IMHO
regards
That is the guy, I have 3 of his speed boards, they just work.
He does sell kits at slightly reduced prices, but quite frankly there are so many surface mount components, a couple of extra quid far outweighs the hassle.
So long as your VFD / DC Speed Controller or whatever, takes a potentiometer type control for 0 - 10v, which nearly all do, that is by far the simplest way to control spindle speed.
There is a modbus component, so it is possible, but unless you are trying to retrofit a machine with it all already in place, you would have to be a masochist to go that route IMHO
regards
Last edit: 19 Feb 2014 21:00 by ArcEye.
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20 Feb 2014 01:43 - 20 Feb 2014 01:48 #43984
by birchy
Replied by birchy on topic Fujitsu Siemens E5600 - SiS761 graphics driver?
Tidy! I have Roy's PCPPS BOB, so at least I can buy his spindle board in the confidence that there won't be any compatibility issues.
I'm still curious about the MODBUS, but will look at that some other time!![:laugh: :laugh:](/media/kunena/emoticons/laughing.png)
PS
He has a couple of different boards. Which one do you recommend? I have 3 spare outputs on my BOB (pins 14, 16 and 17)
I'm still curious about the MODBUS, but will look at that some other time!
![:laugh: :laugh:](/media/kunena/emoticons/laughing.png)
PS
He has a couple of different boards. Which one do you recommend? I have 3 spare outputs on my BOB (pins 14, 16 and 17)
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