Logitech F310 not showing data

Hey Guys and Gals
I've been trying to get my Logitech F310 to work per:
wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_Remote_Pendant
www.ijohnsen.com/blog/linuxcnc-joystick-pendant-control/
and
softsolder.com/2010/03/23/logitech-dual-...pad-as-emc2-pendant/

Now here is the fun - I first tried with an el-cheapy gamepad from China - and it worked - for about 10 minutes till the control bit the dust, plus the d-pad (aka the hat) wasn't right, - but anyway

I hook up the F310 in D mode, and setup the configs as above - and yes running less /proc/bus/input/devices DOES give me

I: Bus=0003 Vendor=046d Product=c216 Version=0300
N: Name="Logitech Logitech Dual Action"
P: Phys=usb-0000:00:03.2-2/input0
S: Sysfs=/class/input/input3
H: Handlers=event3 js0
B: EV=b
B: KEY=fff 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
B: ABS=30027

and I setup a joystick.hal and set up my Halui - remember it WAS working with the cheap Chinese controller

The fun comes in - I SEE NOTHING when I go to monitor the input pins in Axis (no error on startup as if I had it misnamed)

Any clue why I see no data from the gamepad?
I have tried it both with and without the

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Once I did that, I then added a file to the folder: /etc/udev/rules.da. I wasn’t sure if I should do that or not, the instructions were you ‘might’ need to do that, so I went ahead and did it anyway. I made a file titled “joystick.rules” with the
following text:

SYSFS{idProduct}==”c216″, SYSFS{idVendor}==”046d”, MODE=”0660″, GROUP=”plugdev”
b. To add a file to the rules.d folder, you need to be sudo, so I created the file with gedit
using: sudo gedit joystick.rules

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Anyone care to guess?

Yep, tried it as both Logitech and Dual (which is what everyone's example does)

Like I said - when I go in, I can see the pins themselves (and if I disconnect the controller, they go away), and I can see the INITIAL values, but when I push any of the buttons/move any of the joysticks, and click to refresh, the VALUES don't change.
AKA Axis is seeing the gamepad, but the values don't change like the did on the cheapy controller (of course clicking to refresh)
I've tested the controller with Windows - and the controller works

Finally got down the basement again
Tried all the buttons etc, no go
I'm starting to look at it, and the only thing I can think of is it is reading the pins on the way in, but it isn't tied into one of the threads - Possible? AKA it reads it once, and never again?