10.5 x 25 cnc plasma table retrofit

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31 Oct 2024 04:32 #313526 by tcbmetalworks
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Hello I am retrofitting this old mg industries 10.5x25 cnc table. It was previously controlled by burny 10 lcd I am looking to update it to linux cnc. What would be the best direction to go with this? My motors seem to be very old is there any chance of reusing them or is it not worth the effort? I included photos of the motors below and the gear boxes they are tied to. 



 
 
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31 Oct 2024 13:52 #313533 by tommylight
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Do you also have the drives ?

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31 Oct 2024 14:15 #313534 by tcbmetalworks
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I have the whole tables controller and everything. The drives are old school, massive circuit board lots of little transformers and stuff. Not your regular cnc driver

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31 Oct 2024 17:51 #313542 by tommylight
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Find info on the drives, check wiring and if it is in good condition try to power everything up, check drives for errors or strange behavior or smoke, then we can move to testing drives and figuring out what controller you would need.

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31 Oct 2024 18:12 #313544 by tcbmetalworks
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I think I would much rather go the route of retrofitting new servo motors. I have some money to spend on this not a crazy amount but I would much rather pluck out a new drive and buy a new one when one fails then deal with the gobble of wiring. I am trying to build a machine I can run around the clock. I built a mach3 based system and I am so sick of problems with it. I will send photos of the rest of the electronics and you will see what I'm talking about. I think all the drives are a one piece system.

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31 Oct 2024 19:23 #313549 by tcbmetalworks
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 I think this box right here is what would be the "drivers"  I will include some photos of the other boxes that were mounted on the gantry. Alot of stuff was already unplugged and I felt like it did not make sense to have 500 lbs of boxes mounted on the gantry so I went right ahead to taking them all off. The only one that I really see having to stay on the gantry itself would be there is a box for the plasma torch High frequency start and maybe a box that contains all of the drivers to minimize the amount of wire to run threw a cable chain. Do you still think it's worth it to diagnose these motors and drivers or better to start fresh? I'm willing to spend up to a few thousand on motion control if it's what it needs. And can make my own gear boxes in my machine shop or purchase off the shelf if those reducers won't work. 

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31 Oct 2024 19:32 #313550 by tcbmetalworks
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Here is photos I don't think they attached in my first post 

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31 Oct 2024 23:37 #313558 by tommylight
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First picture, the black servo positioning something or another is what we today call THC, and all that (but much faster) today fits in half a cigarette box! :) I would get rid of this so fast....
The attached picture with 4 boards, the left one is the power supply for the next 3, those 3 are the servo drives with lots of electronics, so i would really try to save this, do not worry about the broken encoder connectors, encoders should now be wired to Mesa board.
The box with PLC, i would also get rid of this, fast, all that is now done in software and through a Mesa board.
I would suggest getting a Mesa 7i96S with 7i85 and 7i83 and THCAD for now as this will be good for analog (existing drives) and new drives with analog or step/dir controls.
There are cheaper combos or single board solutions like Mesa 7i97T that everything for analog servos and encoder feedback, or 7i92TM with 7i77 that is the same things functionally.
For new dives with no feedback to LinuxCNC, 7i96S should be enough and you can add 7i85 for encoder feedback at any time later, or single board solution with encoder feedback = Mesa 7i95

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01 Nov 2024 00:46 #313561 by tcbmetalworks
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I think that one of the 3 drives is for the slave axis on the Y. I don't know where the Z drive is hiding I'm assuming in the RSVP box or in the controller I included a photo of below. Do you think it's still worth it to reuse the motors and drives? I also included a photo of today's work on the machine I got it all stripped down. It still is a heavy gantry I have yet to weigh it to size motors but I Would guess when all put backtogerher 500+ lbs.
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01 Nov 2024 03:04 #313567 by tommylight
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Z axis is in the rapid servo positioner box, aka the old THC, so that would need replacing, a cheap stepper drive and motor should do just fine.

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