Is it possible to combine M67 and pyVCP?
05 Jan 2020 12:12 #154093
by aleksamc
Is it possible to combine M67 and pyVCP? was created by aleksamc
I want to make for my analog signal (M67 E0 Q<power>) some regulation, similar to spinde regulation.
What we have for spindle:
We set rotation with M3 S### and after that we can decrease spindle rotation with buttons on panel.
I want to make the same for may analog output. Analog output should regulate power using PWM of laser.
Does it's possible to make such mathematical calculations in pyVCP?
I see my aim as:
1) I create scale in pyVCP with some value "k1"
2) I need to make math calculations P=k1*Q0; (it's floating point calculatiosns, Q0 - is output 0 of M67)
3) Connect P => pwmgen.0.value
And after that this calculations should be fast to work on flow of running G-code with G64 (maximum possible speed).
Does it's possible to realize it? What ways of doing it?
What we have for spindle:
We set rotation with M3 S### and after that we can decrease spindle rotation with buttons on panel.
I want to make the same for may analog output. Analog output should regulate power using PWM of laser.
Does it's possible to make such mathematical calculations in pyVCP?
I see my aim as:
1) I create scale in pyVCP with some value "k1"
2) I need to make math calculations P=k1*Q0; (it's floating point calculatiosns, Q0 - is output 0 of M67)
3) Connect P => pwmgen.0.value
And after that this calculations should be fast to work on flow of running G-code with G64 (maximum possible speed).
Does it's possible to realize it? What ways of doing it?
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07 Jan 2020 15:11 #154216
by andypugh
Replied by andypugh on topic Is it possible to combine M67 and pyVCP?
One way would be to pass the M67 output through a HAL scale component and set the value of the gain pin of that module from Python code.
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07 Jan 2020 21:02 #154257
by rodw
Replied by rodw on topic Is it possible to combine M67 and pyVCP?
This post may be of interest to you.
forum.linuxcnc.org/plasma-laser/32691-settings-from-g-code-file
Here we had a real time component catching the M67/M68 analog value and sending it to the python screen handler for the Gmoccappy Plasma sim. This allowed setting of a GUI variable from gcode. And yes any maths becomes trivial in Python. (or in the component if real time is required).
forum.linuxcnc.org/plasma-laser/32691-settings-from-g-code-file
Here we had a real time component catching the M67/M68 analog value and sending it to the python screen handler for the Gmoccappy Plasma sim. This allowed setting of a GUI variable from gcode. And yes any maths becomes trivial in Python. (or in the component if real time is required).
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09 Jan 2020 08:35 - 09 Jan 2020 08:36 #154417
by aleksamc
Replied by aleksamc on topic Is it possible to combine M67 and pyVCP?
Thanks, I used "scale"
As for rodw answer, it's very interesting, I must study it.
loadrt scale count=1
addf scale.0 servo-thread
net sc_in scale.0.in <= motion.analog-out-00
net sc_gn scale.0.gain
setp scale.0.offset 0
net laser_power scale.0.out => pwmgen.0.value
#where sc_gn comes from pyvcp.variableAs for rodw answer, it's very interesting, I must study it.
Last edit: 09 Jan 2020 08:36 by aleksamc.
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26 Jan 2020 12:51 #155801
by bbsr_5a
Replied by bbsr_5a on topic Is it possible to combine M67 and pyVCP?
woudent it be better to get LASER_Power over the Spindle RPM so you can TWEAK it in the GUI direct as Sliders Like AXIS
Spindle override USED
Spindle override USED
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27 Jan 2020 18:43 #155938
by aleksamc
Replied by aleksamc on topic Is it possible to combine M67 and pyVCP?
No, it's not. I used such way at first.
It's only useful if you want to use laser as cutter. If you want change power "on-line" than in such way your program will stops each time when in G-code be writtent <S###>.
It's only useful if you want to use laser as cutter. If you want change power "on-line" than in such way your program will stops each time when in G-code be writtent <S###>.
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27 Jan 2020 20:48 #155954
by tommylight
Replied by tommylight on topic Is it possible to combine M67 and pyVCP?
Me too.No, it's not. I used such way at first.
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28 Jan 2020 06:56 - 28 Jan 2020 06:58 #155979
by andypugh
I just want to clarify something here.
If you want realtime control of the laser power then any scaling has to be done in HAL by a realtime component.
It's OK to pass a value out of the GUI in the HAL as a factor, because anything you operate by hand is inherently not realtime or synchronised to motion. But the scaling should be in HAL realtime, not in Python.
M67 is the best way to change laser power in G-code as it does not break path blending, whereas using S or Z can.
But bear in mind that the final laser power setting needs to be an M68, as M67 takes effect the moment that the next axis move starts. And at the end of the program there might not be one.
Replied by andypugh on topic Is it possible to combine M67 and pyVCP?
Here we had a real time component catching the M67/M68 analog value and sending it to the python screen handler for the Gmoccappy Plasma sim. This allowed setting of a GUI variable from gcode. And yes any maths becomes trivial in Python. (or in the component if real time is required).
I just want to clarify something here.
If you want realtime control of the laser power then any scaling has to be done in HAL by a realtime component.
It's OK to pass a value out of the GUI in the HAL as a factor, because anything you operate by hand is inherently not realtime or synchronised to motion. But the scaling should be in HAL realtime, not in Python.
M67 is the best way to change laser power in G-code as it does not break path blending, whereas using S or Z can.
But bear in mind that the final laser power setting needs to be an M68, as M67 takes effect the moment that the next axis move starts. And at the end of the program there might not be one.
Last edit: 28 Jan 2020 06:58 by andypugh.
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28 Jan 2020 16:49 - 28 Jan 2020 16:50 #156018
by tommylight
Replied by tommylight on topic Is it possible to combine M67 and pyVCP?
I have solved that issue with adding M3 and M5 to gcode and wiring spindle on to pwm enable, and adding G1 X0 y0 z0 M67 E0 Q0 at the end of gcode files, this way even when i hit ESC it disables PWM so the pressure or laser will be off.But bear in mind that the final laser power setting needs to be an M68, as M67 takes effect the moment that the next axis move starts. And at the end of the program there might not be one.
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28 Jan 2020 18:19 #156033
by aleksamc
Replied by aleksamc on topic Is it possible to combine M67 and pyVCP?
I made something similar logic:
My logic looks like:And PWM regulates using M68 E0 Q255 separetly.
It gives me posibility to worke with laser and spindle simultanously. But I'm sure I will never work like this because
spindle makes a lot of dust that can demage laser lense.
My logic looks like:
TurnSpindle_ON = NOT use_laser AND TurnSpindle_ON
TurnLaser_ON = use_laser AND TurnSpindle_On It gives me posibility to worke with laser and spindle simultanously. But I'm sure I will never work like this because
spindle makes a lot of dust that can demage laser lense.
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