Kern/DMT CD320
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21 May 2026 11:13 #346533
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I have gotten my hands on a 1998 Kern/DMT CD320 cnc lathe in kind of a rough state. My plan is to tear it down, clean out all the old gunk and then get new servos and electronics to allow me to run it on 3 phase 230v. But before I start spending money I have a couple of questions I was hoping someone around here could help me with.
1. Do anyone have any kind of technical drawings or manuals for this machine. I have tried emailing DMT a couple of times, but I get no reply.
2. I am trying to decide if I should go for Ethercat servos or Mesa + pulse, any thoughts on the best solution? I have been able to find suitable hw for both alternatives on aliexpress, so main concern is linuxcnc compatability/problems.
Any input is greatly appreciated, regards from Norway.
I have gotten my hands on a 1998 Kern/DMT CD320 cnc lathe in kind of a rough state. My plan is to tear it down, clean out all the old gunk and then get new servos and electronics to allow me to run it on 3 phase 230v. But before I start spending money I have a couple of questions I was hoping someone around here could help me with.
1. Do anyone have any kind of technical drawings or manuals for this machine. I have tried emailing DMT a couple of times, but I get no reply.
2. I am trying to decide if I should go for Ethercat servos or Mesa + pulse, any thoughts on the best solution? I have been able to find suitable hw for both alternatives on aliexpress, so main concern is linuxcnc compatability/problems.
Any input is greatly appreciated, regards from Norway.
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22 May 2026 02:06 #346547
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If the old motors and drives work, i would not change them, just get some Mesa analog boards and move on.
I can not give you useful advice for now as i always try hard to use the existing drive train when retrofitting (done plenty of those), and i did not use EtherCAT yet, but from what i read here they are both hard to set up and have issues i do not like to deal with, especially having position feedback going on vacation at random on a 15 ton machine.
If you need inspiration, have a browse through "show your stuff" section of the forum, plenty of retrofits by me and other forum members there, also many more on other sections but might be harder to find.
I can not give you useful advice for now as i always try hard to use the existing drive train when retrofitting (done plenty of those), and i did not use EtherCAT yet, but from what i read here they are both hard to set up and have issues i do not like to deal with, especially having position feedback going on vacation at random on a 15 ton machine.
If you need inspiration, have a browse through "show your stuff" section of the forum, plenty of retrofits by me and other forum members there, also many more on other sections but might be harder to find.
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22 May 2026 07:35 #346554
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When I bought the machine it would not boot, with a bios battery error message, so the original computer is probably dead, but not really a big loss... But the machine was working fine the last time it was used, a couple of years ago, according to the seller, so the original Indramat drives and motors are probably fine. Main problem is they require 380v, 3-phase and 17kW of it... A bit more than I have available in my garage. So the plan is to reduce the power somewhat (especially for the 10kW spindle motor), given the machine is only going to be used for hobby projects, and get it to run at 230v 3 phase.
With regards to ethercat vs mesa it looks to me, based mostly on forums posts, that the mesa route is safer, more tested and less potential problems, does that sound about right?
With regards to ethercat vs mesa it looks to me, based mostly on forums posts, that the mesa route is safer, more tested and less potential problems, does that sound about right?
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23 May 2026 02:44 #346564
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And, yes i will order some cheap EtherCAT drives and play with them, gladly, but i have to order through friends abroad and wait ... and wait...
That is something i have to deal with at least once a week here as some smarta$$ yanked a motor from a machine and plugged it in the 3 phase socket and of course that ends up in smoke pretty quickly. About a month ago checked a board from a Tesla car charger that went up in smoke here the instant the fuse was flipped up.
In general, anything that says 3x230V but does not use neutral, do not plug in EU 3 phase sockets.
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Yes, EtherCAT is easier to wire in and that is pretty much where the fun stops. It is a very nice idea implemented ...not good.With regards to ethercat vs mesa it looks to me, based mostly on forums posts, that the mesa route is safer, more tested and less potential problems, does that sound about right?
And, yes i will order some cheap EtherCAT drives and play with them, gladly, but i have to order through friends abroad and wait ... and wait...
Europe, so you do NOT have 3 phase 230V, you have 3 phases where each has 230V exclusively when used in conjunction with neutral. Otherwise, you have only 3x380V.Main problem is they require 380v, 3-phase and 17kW of it... A bit more than I have available in my garage. So the plan is to reduce the power somewhat (especially for the 10kW spindle motor), given the machine is only going to be used for hobby projects, and get it to run at 230v 3 phase.
That is something i have to deal with at least once a week here as some smarta$$ yanked a motor from a machine and plugged it in the 3 phase socket and of course that ends up in smoke pretty quickly. About a month ago checked a board from a Tesla car charger that went up in smoke here the instant the fuse was flipped up.
In general, anything that says 3x230V but does not use neutral, do not plug in EU 3 phase sockets.
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23 May 2026 04:43 - 23 May 2026 04:46 #346565
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That makes sense. Finally!... that solves a question that has mystified me a long time. Why 380V? Well, it does make sense.
Here in US we have everything except 380V:
(1) We have 1 phase 120/240V with two lines 120V to neutral or 240V between each other.
(2) We have 3 phase 480V with 277V to neutral and 480V between each other.
(3) We have 3 phase 208V with three lines 120V to neutral and 208V between each other.
(4) We have 3 phase 240V with 120V to neutral on two lines, 208 to neutral on the third line, 240V between any two of all three lines. This kind of service is hardly installed new anymore, but still exists. Used to be quite popular with just two transformers, they actually skipped the third transformer. It is actually an extension of (1) above by adding one transformer on the power entrance.
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Sorry to hijack this discussionEurope, so you do NOT have 3 phase 230V, you have 3 phases where each has 230V exclusively when used in conjunction with neutral. Otherwise, you have only 3x380V.
That makes sense. Finally!... that solves a question that has mystified me a long time. Why 380V? Well, it does make sense.
Here in US we have everything except 380V:
(1) We have 1 phase 120/240V with two lines 120V to neutral or 240V between each other.
(2) We have 3 phase 480V with 277V to neutral and 480V between each other.
(3) We have 3 phase 208V with three lines 120V to neutral and 208V between each other.
(4) We have 3 phase 240V with 120V to neutral on two lines, 208 to neutral on the third line, 240V between any two of all three lines. This kind of service is hardly installed new anymore, but still exists. Used to be quite popular with just two transformers, they actually skipped the third transformer. It is actually an extension of (1) above by adding one transformer on the power entrance.
Listed in order of popularity among my current customer base.
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23 May 2026 09:42 #346569
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I still don't understand why the US made it so complicated. Here in .AU all we have is single phase 240v (which Is slowly getting watered down to 230v or even 220 v to match some overseas countries) and 415 volt three phase. 3 Ph circuits can have an optional neutral wire and you get 240v from any phase and neutral. 380v I think is allowed but some people recommend using a transformer if running 380v machines.
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24 May 2026 19:49 #346588
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Actually, in Norway the most used distribution system is called an IT net (IT is short for something like Insulated Terra). This system uses 3 phase conductors and no neutral, with a conductor to conductor voltage of 230v, and with no neutral there are no other voltages available. I think this is different from most of Europe where they use a TN net, at least that is what Wikipedia is claiming...
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24 May 2026 22:40 #346589
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Find a DVM and check, that would be the best solution.
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In Germany's industrial zones you had a choice of:
3X380V
3X480V
and
3X560V
Nice to have choices, not nice when someone brings such a machine here where there is only 3X380 or, if you want to really push it 3X11000V!
Yes, you can buy...well you have to buy a huge transformer (if the existing one lacks capacity), and then you HAVE to sign it over to distribution company, literally. Them being a Turkish company and my people being dumb asses, that is the only choice.
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In Germany's industrial zones you had a choice of:
3X380V
3X480V
and
3X560V
Nice to have choices, not nice when someone brings such a machine here where there is only 3X380 or, if you want to really push it 3X11000V!
Yes, you can buy...well you have to buy a huge transformer (if the existing one lacks capacity), and then you HAVE to sign it over to distribution company, literally. Them being a Turkish company and my people being dumb asses, that is the only choice.
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