7i40hv pid
04 Sep 2017 10:09 #98448
by billykid
7i40hv pid was created by billykid
hello
i am going to use 2 drivers 7i40hv can you tell me what terms PID to use?
I've read jhon's example but talk about velocity mode, these are nude bridges I think.
as a starting point,% of P of ff1 ff2.
regards
Mauro
i am going to use 2 drivers 7i40hv can you tell me what terms PID to use?
I've read jhon's example but talk about velocity mode, these are nude bridges I think.
as a starting point,% of P of ff1 ff2.
regards
Mauro
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04 Sep 2017 12:36 #98460
by andypugh
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I would start with just P at 0.00001 then make it 10x bigger until something happens.
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04 Sep 2017 17:09 #98499
by billykid
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thanks Andy
the pid works already very well with only P = 160.
more than anything I was interested in knowing which tuning parameters and what not.
I'm testing with an unmanned engine I know is not a good condition
but g1 x10 f1000 stops + - 0.001 mm.
according to you is a good system with this closed loop or better how do I have drives that hold their position commanded step-dir?
regards
Mauro
the pid works already very well with only P = 160.
more than anything I was interested in knowing which tuning parameters and what not.
I'm testing with an unmanned engine I know is not a good condition
but g1 x10 f1000 stops + - 0.001 mm.
according to you is a good system with this closed loop or better how do I have drives that hold their position commanded step-dir?
regards
Mauro
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04 Sep 2017 20:14 #98504
by andypugh
Replied by andypugh on topic 7i40hv pid
An PID will tend to stop at the right place. You should plot how well it follows dynamic movements using halscope.
You will probably find that some I-term is needed to remove steady-state error.
D-term might let you run more P, for a stiffer response.
But, until the servo is mounted to the machine and is under load there is no point taking the tuning too far.
You will probably find that some I-term is needed to remove steady-state error.
D-term might let you run more P, for a stiffer response.
But, until the servo is mounted to the machine and is under load there is no point taking the tuning too far.
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04 Sep 2017 20:45 #98508
by billykid
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I have four homemade drives and work fine
elm-chan.org/works/smc/report_e.html
as I'm now making a small plasma and I wanted to use 7i40hv + 5i23
I was interested in knowing whether the results will be as good as other drivers
the next few days I will try to calibrate the pid on a real axis, but I'm quite satisfied
sorry but I can not explain well with the translator
elm-chan.org/works/smc/report_e.html
as I'm now making a small plasma and I wanted to use 7i40hv + 5i23
I was interested in knowing whether the results will be as good as other drivers
the next few days I will try to calibrate the pid on a real axis, but I'm quite satisfied
sorry but I can not explain well with the translator
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06 Sep 2017 12:38 #98575
by billykid
Replied by billykid on topic 7i40hv pid
I did the tests work very well.
now i use a 1024 encoder but i think it's a little for a closed loop system.
I would have found this: HEDR-55L2-BY09 3600 cpr line driver. with 5i23 I should not have counting problems.
Usually what do you use as a resolution?
regards
Mauro
now i use a 1024 encoder but i think it's a little for a closed loop system.
I would have found this: HEDR-55L2-BY09 3600 cpr line driver. with 5i23 I should not have counting problems.
Usually what do you use as a resolution?
regards
Mauro
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06 Sep 2017 14:01 #98582
by andypugh
Replied by andypugh on topic 7i40hv pid
1024 lines or 1024 counts?
Assuming a 5mm pitch screw and that f-error is 4 counts (typical) then the accuracy of the system will be +/- 0.02mm with a 1024 count encoder (0.005mm with a 1024 _line_ encoder).
What do you need?
Assuming a 5mm pitch screw and that f-error is 4 counts (typical) then the accuracy of the system will be +/- 0.02mm with a 1024 count encoder (0.005mm with a 1024 _line_ encoder).
What do you need?
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06 Sep 2017 17:18 - 06 Sep 2017 18:45 #98590
by billykid
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in fact you are right.
I'm 1024 cpr, I wanted to change them for two reasons: when I get the 7i40 i would like to use differential encoders (my not) and index.
I thought I would use HEDR-55L2-BY09 3600 cpr which I can replace on the fly and have both features.
they will go 100khz maximum i do not think there are any problems.
I found the output-scale parameter at 10 from pnconf is right for this configuration?
thank you
Mauro
I'm 1024 cpr, I wanted to change them for two reasons: when I get the 7i40 i would like to use differential encoders (my not) and index.
I thought I would use HEDR-55L2-BY09 3600 cpr which I can replace on the fly and have both features.
they will go 100khz maximum i do not think there are any problems.
I found the output-scale parameter at 10 from pnconf is right for this configuration?
thank you
Mauro
Last edit: 06 Sep 2017 18:45 by billykid.
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27 Apr 2018 12:42 - 27 Apr 2018 13:06 #109703
by billykid
Replied by billykid on topic 7i40hv pid
Hello
finally I mounted everything, calibrated the pid only with P, D, FF1, connected encoder -velocity to pid.n.feedbak-deriv as said Pcw.
but it seems to me even more noisy.
I was in doubt ... output scale must be 1? I saw that others put 10 but maybe for analog drives.
the error as you can see from the picture is within 0.005 mm at F200 it seems good to me.
thanks for your help
Mauro
finally I mounted everything, calibrated the pid only with P, D, FF1, connected encoder -velocity to pid.n.feedbak-deriv as said Pcw.
but it seems to me even more noisy.
I was in doubt ... output scale must be 1? I saw that others put 10 but maybe for analog drives.
the error as you can see from the picture is within 0.005 mm at F200 it seems good to me.
thanks for your help
Mauro
Last edit: 27 Apr 2018 13:06 by billykid.
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27 Apr 2018 13:12 #109706
by andypugh
What is your encoder/resolver velocity scale? If the encoder scale is positive then the velocity scale should be positive (probably +1) but if your system requires a negative velocity scale then you need a negative velocity scale too.
(I was caught out by exactly this a couple of weeks ago)
Replied by andypugh on topic 7i40hv pid
connected encoder -velocity to pid.n.feedbak-deriv as said Pcw.
but it seems to me even more noisy.
What is your encoder/resolver velocity scale? If the encoder scale is positive then the velocity scale should be positive (probably +1) but if your system requires a negative velocity scale then you need a negative velocity scale too.
(I was caught out by exactly this a couple of weeks ago)
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