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13 Nov 2018 07:58 - 13 Nov 2018 08:20 #120528
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I'm looking at building a cnc mill. I want a more capable mill than the standard G0704 etc conversions, and a full-scale VMC is too large / power hungry for my garage. It will use linear rails, ball screws (unsure how feasible ground screws vs the standard rolled screws), and servos. Likely a steel weldment, although considering a granite surface plate base.
This brings me to the question of the best new servo setup, including motors, drivers and driver boards.
Important criteria for me:
New - available to buy online. I don't want to be chasing old equipment on auction sites etc.
Linear encoders - I want the best achievable accuracy and am planning to use glass scales. This may impact on the servo loop(s).
... This may lead to needing a lot of encoder inputs - 3-4 linear encoders, +/- 4-5 rotary encoders (XYYZ, spindle) +/- 4th and 5th axis encoders.
Possibility to easily add 4th and possibly 5th axis later.
Servo motor / driver selection:
AC servos
The chinese options are desirable based on price. JMC (www.jmc-motor.com/) appear to be a viable option and well priced, however like many chinese products, it's hard to find a lot of experience with them.
DMM (Dyn4) is a viable option.
The loop / servo drive input options
Options:
Full analog - dual loop into linuxcnc (servo rotary encoder and axis linear encoder)
Step + dir - common interface. Impact on the loop may vary between different servo drivers?
Serial - Is serial better than step + dir?
Proprietary - not interested
Driver boards
The JMC system allows:
I like and use Mesa driver boards for my stepper machines. The choice of boards depends on a number of the above things of course.
If you were putting together a new servo setup, what would you chose?
What input to the servo drivers (analog, serial, step/dir)?
Based on this, what Mesa driver boards would you use?
... May need 8 encoders with ability to add more later if needed
... Multiple RS-485 seems to be an issue with Mesa gear - the boards appear to be RS-422 mainly
Any suggestions on best motor / driver brand?
Thanks in advance!
This brings me to the question of the best new servo setup, including motors, drivers and driver boards.
Important criteria for me:
New - available to buy online. I don't want to be chasing old equipment on auction sites etc.
Linear encoders - I want the best achievable accuracy and am planning to use glass scales. This may impact on the servo loop(s).
... This may lead to needing a lot of encoder inputs - 3-4 linear encoders, +/- 4-5 rotary encoders (XYYZ, spindle) +/- 4th and 5th axis encoders.
Possibility to easily add 4th and possibly 5th axis later.
Servo motor / driver selection:
AC servos
The chinese options are desirable based on price. JMC (www.jmc-motor.com/) appear to be a viable option and well priced, however like many chinese products, it's hard to find a lot of experience with them.
DMM (Dyn4) is a viable option.
The loop / servo drive input options
Options:
Full analog - dual loop into linuxcnc (servo rotary encoder and axis linear encoder)
Step + dir - common interface. Impact on the loop may vary between different servo drivers?
Serial - Is serial better than step + dir?
Proprietary - not interested
Driver boards
The JMC system allows:
- analog +/-10V (in speed control and torque control modes)
- Step/dir
- serial - RS-232 and RS-485
I like and use Mesa driver boards for my stepper machines. The choice of boards depends on a number of the above things of course.
If you were putting together a new servo setup, what would you chose?
What input to the servo drivers (analog, serial, step/dir)?
Based on this, what Mesa driver boards would you use?
... May need 8 encoders with ability to add more later if needed
... Multiple RS-485 seems to be an issue with Mesa gear - the boards appear to be RS-422 mainly
Any suggestions on best motor / driver brand?
Thanks in advance!
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13 Nov 2018 15:20 #120554
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This might not be a very helpful answer...
I can't imagine buying new servo motors for a one-off build. If you need continuity of supply for an actual product it is a different thing.
So I would find some servos on eBay and then drive them with STMBL drives. But then I have some STMBL drives. It's hard to get hold of them at the moment because a critical component has become unavailable.
(See, I warned you this wouldn't be helpful)
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If you were putting together a new servo setup, what would you chose?
This might not be a very helpful answer...
I can't imagine buying new servo motors for a one-off build. If you need continuity of supply for an actual product it is a different thing.
So I would find some servos on eBay and then drive them with STMBL drives. But then I have some STMBL drives. It's hard to get hold of them at the moment because a critical component has become unavailable.
(See, I warned you this wouldn't be helpful)
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17 Nov 2018 02:12 #120881
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Andy, thanks for the reply.
I've looked at STMBL before, and it looks like a great driver. Not super easy to find clear info on. I don't think it's something I could put together easily (difficulty of soldering required etc).
What component is unavailable?
What driver input would you use with STMBL?
What Mesa boards?
I've looked at STMBL before, and it looks like a great driver. Not super easy to find clear info on. I don't think it's something I could put together easily (difficulty of soldering required etc).
What component is unavailable?
What driver input would you use with STMBL?
What Mesa boards?
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17 Nov 2018 02:52 #120884
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For a Mesa interface I would suggest a 7I94 which is new but should be available soon
The 7I94 is a Ethernet connected card with 8 RS-422 ports and 1 LPT compatible expansion port.
The 7I94 is a Ethernet connected card with 8 RS-422 ports and 1 LPT compatible expansion port.
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17 Nov 2018 11:37 #120892
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Unfortunately the main one. the IRAM256-2067A2 3-phase bridge module. Unfortunately only the A2 module fits.
So, at the moment, the STMBL isn't really an option as there are none available until a new hardware design is settled upon.
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I've looked at STMBL before, and it looks like a great driver. Not super easy to find clear info on. I don't think it's something I could put together easily (difficulty of soldering required etc).
What component is unavailable?
Unfortunately the main one. the IRAM256-2067A2 3-phase bridge module. Unfortunately only the A2 module fits.
So, at the moment, the STMBL isn't really an option as there are none available until a new hardware design is settled upon.
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