3 phase full bridge

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17 Feb 2019 07:35 #126661 by vre
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I got a used puma robot arm that servo drives are not complete servo drives.
Not complete i mean that they have power stage(bridge rectifier/6pack igbt)
an mcu that does very basic error handing and driving the power stage
but these drives do not get the resolvers feedback.
Resolvers are connected directly to controller and controller drives the servo drives via propetiary interbus protocol.
So servo drives do not have any resolver feedback/pid loop/position control
Can i read the resolvers with some mesa hardware and linuxcnc make the
work now does the propetiary controller?
linuxcnc/mesa must output commands via interbus but if this is not possible due to unknown interbus protocol
maybe can drive directly the 3 phase full bridges with some breakout board
skipping drives interbus/mcu subcircuits.
Have mesa firmware/linuxcnc such capabilities?

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17 Feb 2019 09:05 #126664 by pl7i92
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You will be better UP to go for a full reset of Drives and Servos Hybrid

BUT YES the 3Phase are available on mesa and you shoudt add new Envoders at 25USD eatch for direct 7i77 staging

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17 Feb 2019 11:59 - 17 Feb 2019 13:57 #126669 by vre
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Yes thats a good solution to replace "hybrid" drives
but they are 48A and at this current a replacement of 6 drives would be very costly.
Mesa has solution for reading resolvers this is not problem..
my problem is how to drive the 6pack igbt... pcb has driver for gates of igbts
but this drivers must be driven from some microcontroller.
Iam looking solution for this..
In other words i want the logic stage of servo drive the power stage exists...

Photos of hybrid drivers but 16A version
power stage (in the bottom side of white rectangle goes the 6pack igbt & rectifier module)

logic stage (the 2 rj45 connectors shown on the right is the interbus connection)
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17 Feb 2019 15:27 #126673 by PCW
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Is there _any_ documentation on the interface protocol?

Driving the bare IGBTs is possible with the Hostmot2 3PWM module but what you really need is something that read the currents (I see three hall effect current sensors..)
and the resolvers and runs the motors with standard field oriented control.

Maybe Rene can be convinced to make a STMBL variant that can drive a separate generic power stage, this would also make driving Fanuc digital servos a possibility (They also consist of a power stage, current sensing and fault logic, but no real brains)
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17 Feb 2019 19:08 - 17 Feb 2019 21:26 #126684 by vre
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Well iam not having the robot in my hands now i will have it in about 10days.
So i will post better photos.
That i know is that the protocol is interbus from phoenix contact
The 6 drives are connected in ring topology one rj45 is input and the other rj45 is output to the next drive.
Documentation i have not found yet the only thing a have found is for generic interbus..
But i have cheap usb logic analyzer so i will use it when i get the robot.
The 3 blue rectangles are the current sensors ?
For reading resolvers i can use a mesa card that reads resolvers..
Can linuxcnc do field oriented control using mesa 3pwm and input from resolvers ?
Or this must be done on servo driver level ?
--update--
I found that these drives are made by lenze and use lenze interbus
I think are from lenze 9300 series but iam not sure..
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18 Feb 2019 08:32 #126710 by vre
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Is there _any_ documentation on the interface protocol?

I found something www.wtech.com.tw/public/download/manual/...ical%20Servicing.pdf
(pages 67/71 in pdf /not marked in the footer of page)
Also has details how all systems are interconnected.
I want if it is possible to replace the controller but keep the servo-drives

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26 Feb 2019 20:48 #127185 by andypugh
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For reading resolvers i can use a mesa card that reads resolvers..
Can linuxcnc do field oriented control using mesa 3pwm and input from resolvers ?


Yes, in fact it is reasonably easy. Mesa 7i49 is very good for reading resolvers. Both my machines use them.

The Mesa 7i39 is an example of a drive that takes direct 3-phase PWM from a Mesa card to drive the bridge directly.
I am not sure if the 7i39 does any current sensing on-board. But anyway, the 7i39 is not really relevant here except as an example that it is possible to generate the gate drive PWM remote from the power stage board.

The Mesa 3pwm module can be, in turn, driven by the HAL bldc component to convert rotor angle to current phase angle.
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