Which Mesa cards for CNC lathe
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18 Feb 2020 09:52 #157694
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I would be grateful if someone could help me with the choice of Mesa cards for my CNC lathe. I have experience with LinuxCNC but have never used any Mesa cards.
I have an slant bed 2 axis lathe (X 220mm * Z 220mm) and wish to make retrofit , to add AC servo motors (1500W) step/dir and YASKAWA A1000 inverter for main spindle.
I wish to add linear optical scale resolution 0.001mm only to X axis to have good accuracy and use Index signal for referencing / homing, this scale will be closed to LinuxCNC feedback, not to servo drive (dual feedback).
I need some I/O cards with enough inputs for front panel to use for MPG, feedrate, spindle override, chuck control and others.
Also a suggestion which type of PC for LinuxCNC to choose.
Thanks in advance!
I have an slant bed 2 axis lathe (X 220mm * Z 220mm) and wish to make retrofit , to add AC servo motors (1500W) step/dir and YASKAWA A1000 inverter for main spindle.
I wish to add linear optical scale resolution 0.001mm only to X axis to have good accuracy and use Index signal for referencing / homing, this scale will be closed to LinuxCNC feedback, not to servo drive (dual feedback).
I need some I/O cards with enough inputs for front panel to use for MPG, feedrate, spindle override, chuck control and others.
Also a suggestion which type of PC for LinuxCNC to choose.
Thanks in advance!
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18 Feb 2020 10:51 #157698
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Nice machine.
I would try to use the existing motors and drives if at all possible, and those would most probably be +-10V analogue ones, in such case a mesa 5i25 or 6i25 or 7i92 coupled with a 7i77 would work nicely. Used that on a lot of retros.
For step/dir and scales maybe someone else has a better solution.
I would try to use the existing motors and drives if at all possible, and those would most probably be +-10V analogue ones, in such case a mesa 5i25 or 6i25 or 7i92 coupled with a 7i77 would work nicely. Used that on a lot of retros.
For step/dir and scales maybe someone else has a better solution.
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18 Feb 2020 12:08 #157710
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Thank you for your recommendation!
On that machine are the Fanuc AC servo motors A06B-0128-B077 with incremental encoder with serial output but I have no experience with Fanuc and want to install other AC servo motor & drive for ease of maintenance.
This lathe will be used only for ball-screw end machining and nothing others but need to be accurate for bearing mount with tight tolerance.
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Nice machine.
I would try to use the existing motors and drives if at all possible, and those would most probably be +-10V analogue ones, in such case a mesa 5i25 or 6i25 or 7i92 coupled with a 7i77 would work nicely. Used that on a lot of retros.
For step/dir and scales maybe someone else has a better solution.
Thank you for your recommendation!
On that machine are the Fanuc AC servo motors A06B-0128-B077 with incremental encoder with serial output but I have no experience with Fanuc and want to install other AC servo motor & drive for ease of maintenance.
This lathe will be used only for ball-screw end machining and nothing others but need to be accurate for bearing mount with tight tolerance.
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18 Feb 2020 16:56 #157730
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These are VERY FINE servo motors. I (Pico Systems) have a converter board that will create industry-compatible quadrature encoder plus index and commutation signals. So, you could use any modern servo amp with them, such as Servo Dynamics, AMC, Elmo, etc. These encoders give 65536 counts/revolution, but are of the incremental type. So, for our converter to produce commutation immediately after system startup, you need to provide a backup battery for the encoders.
Once the battery is connected, you will need to turn the motors by hand one turn so the encoder can sense its index position. I can advise on how to hook up the battery and charge circuit.
I also have a complete system for this type of motor - A PWM controller and PWM brushless servo amps, plus the Fanuc
converter. For a 2-axis lathe, that would be $250 for the 4-axis controller, $150 ea for servo amps and $150 each for
the Fanuc converters. So, a total of $850. The controller also has 16 digital inputs and place for 8 solid state relays for
digital output. We also have an option for analog speed control of a VFD for the spindle.
With enough free digital inputs you can also set up a jog pendant, which we have found really useful.
Jon
Once the battery is connected, you will need to turn the motors by hand one turn so the encoder can sense its index position. I can advise on how to hook up the battery and charge circuit.
I also have a complete system for this type of motor - A PWM controller and PWM brushless servo amps, plus the Fanuc
converter. For a 2-axis lathe, that would be $250 for the 4-axis controller, $150 ea for servo amps and $150 each for
the Fanuc converters. So, a total of $850. The controller also has 16 digital inputs and place for 8 solid state relays for
digital output. We also have an option for analog speed control of a VFD for the spindle.
With enough free digital inputs you can also set up a jog pendant, which we have found really useful.
Jon
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18 Feb 2020 19:23 #157739
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Hmmmm that seems very reasonable, what JMelson suggested.
Personally, i would love to give those drives a run, but alas ATM i only have one 3 phase motor made by Indramat, and that p.o.sh draws 74A nominal ! I did run it with an Argon drive, but i could stall it with my hand....with gloves on ! Plenty of brushed ones from 30W to 400W.
Also. Jon is always here to help, so that makes for great support.
Thank you, Jon.
Personally, i would love to give those drives a run, but alas ATM i only have one 3 phase motor made by Indramat, and that p.o.sh draws 74A nominal ! I did run it with an Argon drive, but i could stall it with my hand....with gloves on ! Plenty of brushed ones from 30W to 400W.
Also. Jon is always here to help, so that makes for great support.
Thank you, Jon.
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18 Feb 2020 20:05 #157741
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Mr. Jon I understand your recommendation but it seems too complex to me, i want to simplify it. The fewer components in a row the more stable the system is and lower latency time...
I think it would be a better solution to use the original Fanuc drivers that are already on the machine and connected to this motors.
This is type of Fanuc driver A06B-6079-H208 it is a two axis driver, do you have any solution on how to drive these drivers using LinuxCNC?
If there was no way to use a Fanuc driver + Fanuc motor that is already on machine now then I would simply put a new AC servo motors and drivers with a step dir signal.
I think it would be a better solution to use the original Fanuc drivers that are already on the machine and connected to this motors.
This is type of Fanuc driver A06B-6079-H208 it is a two axis driver, do you have any solution on how to drive these drivers using LinuxCNC?
If there was no way to use a Fanuc driver + Fanuc motor that is already on machine now then I would simply put a new AC servo motors and drivers with a step dir signal.
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