AMC drive tuning
19 Mar 2020 16:51 #160753
by OT-CNC
Replied by OT-CNC on topic AMC drive tuning
Interesting. The XY encoders are single ended linear scales. Pretty course at 10 micron scale. The z is a rotary 1000ppr encoder in quadrature and sounds rough too.
Could a previously miss configured setup have been masked by the slower old sd1525 drives?
I was hoping for this to have been a simple drive swap and be up and running by now.
Could a previously miss configured setup have been masked by the slower old sd1525 drives?
I was hoping for this to have been a simple drive swap and be up and running by now.
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19 Mar 2020 16:55 #160754
by PCW
Replied by PCW on topic AMC drive tuning
This is why is so important to test with open loop (FF1 only)
First step should be to bisect the issue (drive interface or feedback)
First step should be to bisect the issue (drive interface or feedback)
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19 Mar 2020 23:40 #160801
by OT-CNC
Replied by OT-CNC on topic AMC drive tuning
I'm attaching the hal and ini.
Made very little progress today. I feel like I'm going backwards.
I set the pid to 0, FF1=1 and the output scale to 3.33. (10v equals to theoretical 200ipm. 3.33 for output scale is this correct?)
I assume its wrong as jogging at 1ipm took approx 16.8 sec to travel 1 inch. Reading through the ini docs, I'm not fully grasping the settings.
Oddly, adjusting the settings, at one point, the machine moved almost twice as fast in one direction than the other. This is at 1 ipm.
Drift is very little. Which is good. At fast table movement things seem relatively smooth. Acceleration may be too high, stop seems rough.
The handwheel is fighting me when I push but when I pull it continues moving in the pull direction which seem wrong. The encoder on the z feels more locked. joint.0.f-error climbs in the same direction/slope when pushing/pulling on handwheel. Should't it reverse?
Made very little progress today. I feel like I'm going backwards.
I set the pid to 0, FF1=1 and the output scale to 3.33. (10v equals to theoretical 200ipm. 3.33 for output scale is this correct?)
I assume its wrong as jogging at 1ipm took approx 16.8 sec to travel 1 inch. Reading through the ini docs, I'm not fully grasping the settings.
Oddly, adjusting the settings, at one point, the machine moved almost twice as fast in one direction than the other. This is at 1 ipm.
Drift is very little. Which is good. At fast table movement things seem relatively smooth. Acceleration may be too high, stop seems rough.
The handwheel is fighting me when I push but when I pull it continues moving in the pull direction which seem wrong. The encoder on the z feels more locked. joint.0.f-error climbs in the same direction/slope when pushing/pulling on handwheel. Should't it reverse?
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20 Mar 2020 00:02 #160802
by PCW
Replied by PCW on topic AMC drive tuning
Is the asymmetrical handwheel response with only FF1?
Does it behave this way with the inputs shorted or unconnected?
Is the 7I77 AOUT and GND wired to then the drives REF+ and REF- pins?
Does it behave this way with the inputs shorted or unconnected?
Is the 7I77 AOUT and GND wired to then the drives REF+ and REF- pins?
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20 Mar 2020 00:07 #160803
by OT-CNC
Replied by OT-CNC on topic AMC drive tuning
That's correct. With FF1=1 and pid all to 0 it's not symmetrical.
Unconnected its behaving correctly. Locked and fighting back as expected. A shown in my prior video clip beginning.
Yes, the 7I77 AOUT and GND are wired to drive REF+ and REF- pins
Unconnected its behaving correctly. Locked and fighting back as expected. A shown in my prior video clip beginning.
Yes, the 7I77 AOUT and GND are wired to drive REF+ and REF- pins
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20 Mar 2020 00:14 #160806
by PCW
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Strange. I wonder if there is enough switching noise that the common mode input range of the drive is being exceeded.
How is the drive input common connected?
How is the drive input common connected?
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20 Mar 2020 00:34 #160809
by OT-CNC
Replied by OT-CNC on topic AMC drive tuning
Pin 4 ref in + and pin 5 ref in- on p1 signal connector to AOUT and GND from 7i77
Chassis ground on drives to buss bar. Don't have any other ground connections other than drains from shielding connected from tach shared with AOUT harness at the drives. Previous photo attached shows cabinet layout.
There is a negative tach input thing that I didn't understand. The drive manual suggest use signal ground for positive input. With motor leads connected as outlined in the maual I got a runaway and simply reversed the tach input wires. That was a suggested fault correction and confirmed by AMC tech support as should be okay. Now I'm wondering if I need to reverse the tach wiring and reversed the logic via dip switch? Was my approach wrong? My guess would be it doesn't matter as long as it doesn't run away??
Chassis ground on drives to buss bar. Don't have any other ground connections other than drains from shielding connected from tach shared with AOUT harness at the drives. Previous photo attached shows cabinet layout.
There is a negative tach input thing that I didn't understand. The drive manual suggest use signal ground for positive input. With motor leads connected as outlined in the maual I got a runaway and simply reversed the tach input wires. That was a suggested fault correction and confirmed by AMC tech support as should be okay. Now I'm wondering if I need to reverse the tach wiring and reversed the logic via dip switch? Was my approach wrong? My guess would be it doesn't matter as long as it doesn't run away??
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20 Mar 2020 01:06 #160815
by PCW
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My guess is that you need to connect signal ground (2) to the 7I77 GND
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20 Mar 2020 01:09 #160816
by jmelson
analog electronics. Your symptoms sound a LOT like this kind of problem.
Jon
Replied by jmelson on topic AMC drive tuning
Oh, yes, I've seen this on other systems. If the drive's analog circuitry is fully floating, it can exceed the common mode range of the input amp. So, you need to tie the CNC control's ground to the ground reference of the servo drive'sStrange. I wonder if there is enough switching noise that the common mode input range of the drive is being exceeded.
How is the drive input common connected?
analog electronics. Your symptoms sound a LOT like this kind of problem.
Jon
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20 Mar 2020 01:21 #160818
by OT-CNC
Replied by OT-CNC on topic AMC drive tuning
Okay, I will try that tomorrow. Pin 2 or 11 on that connector P2 is already used with the tach.
Same GND from 7i77 (ex tb5 pin3) that goes to ref-? Or do you recommend another ground?
Same GND from 7i77 (ex tb5 pin3) that goes to ref-? Or do you recommend another ground?
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