MESA board selection to replace ESS
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24 Nov 2020 00:05 #190167
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PCW,
Thanks for info...I just knew that I was incorrectly doing something wrong with the commands I sent, just did not know what it was...You have explained it...I am on phone with my friend right now and had him check that it works as you described, it does!
I have ordered another 7i76e which should be here by tomorrow or day after, in case it is a bad board...
MIke
Thanks for info...I just knew that I was incorrectly doing something wrong with the commands I sent, just did not know what it was...You have explained it...I am on phone with my friend right now and had him check that it works as you described, it does!
I have ordered another 7i76e which should be here by tomorrow or day after, in case it is a bad board...
MIke
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24 Nov 2020 00:09 #190168
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5 ms latency could cause all of the observed symptoms
LinuxCNC will time out a lot of the communications
resulting in breakage while registering the card
LinuxCNC will time out a lot of the communications
resulting in breakage while registering the card
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24 Nov 2020 03:16 #190186
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PCW,
I hope this may solve my friends's issue...I went digging around in my pile of computers and found one that may be suitable...The computer runs an Asus MB, AMD Athlon 64 bit cpu...It already had LCNC 2.7.14 on it, so I checked the latency and it runs at <11,000...going to give it a try, but won't be tomorrow...I will let you know the outcome...
Thanks for your help
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I hope this may solve my friends's issue...I went digging around in my pile of computers and found one that may be suitable...The computer runs an Asus MB, AMD Athlon 64 bit cpu...It already had LCNC 2.7.14 on it, so I checked the latency and it runs at <11,000...going to give it a try, but won't be tomorrow...I will let you know the outcome...
Thanks for your help
Mike
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28 Nov 2020 01:56 #190479
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PCW,
UPDATE: Today I got to my friend's shop taking my computer as mentioned in previous post, low latency...I removed the HDD from his computer and installed in my computer, did a latency test and to my suprise it presented a 3.9+ million latency...My friend remembered he had an extra computer with both SATA and IDE ports on it...I tried that one with the SATA drive that has LCNC 2.8 installed (the same HDD that I used to test/setup with the 7i76e) on the first and second computer, and in that case I got another 3.9+ million latency...Disappointing...
I did experience a difference today when testing both the second and third computer when starting LCNC from terminal (as usual), I was able to see a list of i/o pins on startup without the previous errors I had experienced with the hm2_eth initializing, although it kicked out a .hal error which I could easily track down...After several restarts of LCNC the old error showed up and I was not able to start LCNC again...
When I tested the third computer today, I installed the same SATA HDD as had been done on first and second computers...About 20 failed boot attempts, all yeilding beep error codes (I did not have a list beep codes for that mobo and no internet access) the computer booted into the O/S (Stretch)...I then checked latency (3.9+million)...I then openend terminal, pinged with low average 1.x m/s...Started LCNC and it threw .hal errors, (no hm2_eth errors)...Again I got farther into the LCNC boot process than before...After two boots, the same hm2_eth error occurred and I was no longer able to get beyond that stage...
My conclusions at this time...The problem may lie with either the LCNC 2.8.0 application, or some difference between SATA and IDE, or the HDD has problems...I am leaning towards the HDD problems presently, but I do not know with certainty...
I am going to try testing this weekend by using an IDE drive with 2.8.0 installed on it...Then a different SATA than the originl drive with 2.8.0...Maybe I will learn something then...If not it may be the 7i76e...
I will keep you posted...
Mike
UPDATE: Today I got to my friend's shop taking my computer as mentioned in previous post, low latency...I removed the HDD from his computer and installed in my computer, did a latency test and to my suprise it presented a 3.9+ million latency...My friend remembered he had an extra computer with both SATA and IDE ports on it...I tried that one with the SATA drive that has LCNC 2.8 installed (the same HDD that I used to test/setup with the 7i76e) on the first and second computer, and in that case I got another 3.9+ million latency...Disappointing...
I did experience a difference today when testing both the second and third computer when starting LCNC from terminal (as usual), I was able to see a list of i/o pins on startup without the previous errors I had experienced with the hm2_eth initializing, although it kicked out a .hal error which I could easily track down...After several restarts of LCNC the old error showed up and I was not able to start LCNC again...
When I tested the third computer today, I installed the same SATA HDD as had been done on first and second computers...About 20 failed boot attempts, all yeilding beep error codes (I did not have a list beep codes for that mobo and no internet access) the computer booted into the O/S (Stretch)...I then checked latency (3.9+million)...I then openend terminal, pinged with low average 1.x m/s...Started LCNC and it threw .hal errors, (no hm2_eth errors)...Again I got farther into the LCNC boot process than before...After two boots, the same hm2_eth error occurred and I was no longer able to get beyond that stage...
My conclusions at this time...The problem may lie with either the LCNC 2.8.0 application, or some difference between SATA and IDE, or the HDD has problems...I am leaning towards the HDD problems presently, but I do not know with certainty...
I am going to try testing this weekend by using an IDE drive with 2.8.0 installed on it...Then a different SATA than the originl drive with 2.8.0...Maybe I will learn something then...If not it may be the 7i76e...
I will keep you posted...
Mike
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28 Nov 2020 02:11 #190480
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What OS are you using?
that is, what does
uname -a
report?
that is, what does
uname -a
report?
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28 Nov 2020 16:54 #190529
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PCW,
results of uname -a
Linux shop 4.9.0-14-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.9.240-2 (2020-10-30 x86_64 GNU/Linux
results of uname -a
Linux shop 4.9.0-14-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.9.240-2 (2020-10-30 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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01 Dec 2020 11:29 - 01 Dec 2020 11:35 #190747
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PCW, the hard drive is one that I sold to PJ back in August, I'm pretty stumped with the bad latency. Before shipping I update my master drive then clone it on a drive cloning thing then boot back up and test LinuxCNC. The drive is a Western Digital 160GB WD1600AAJS hard drive. The motherboard I use for updating is a Gigabyte H81M-S2H GSM with an Intel Pentium G3260 @ 3.3GHz. Using the Latency Histogram I added to the menu (latency-histogram --nobase) for the servo thread only and with 6 glxgears running I get 25us. Using latency-test I get 2,000ns on the servo thread and 11,000ns on the base thread.
Edit: now I'm confused the hard drive I sell should report back like this from uname-a
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What OS are you using?
that is, what does
uname -a
report?
PCW, the hard drive is one that I sold to PJ back in August, I'm pretty stumped with the bad latency. Before shipping I update my master drive then clone it on a drive cloning thing then boot back up and test LinuxCNC. The drive is a Western Digital 160GB WD1600AAJS hard drive. The motherboard I use for updating is a Gigabyte H81M-S2H GSM with an Intel Pentium G3260 @ 3.3GHz. Using the Latency Histogram I added to the menu (latency-histogram --nobase) for the servo thread only and with 6 glxgears running I get 25us. Using latency-test I get 2,000ns on the servo thread and 11,000ns on the base thread.
Edit: now I'm confused the hard drive I sell should report back like this from uname-a
emc@d9emc27us:~$ uname -a
Linux d9emc27us 4.9.0-13-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.9.228-1 (2020-07-05) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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01 Dec 2020 13:26 #190755
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3+ ms latencies really look like BIOS or kernel issues to me
Are all power management options disabled in the BIOS?
This means EIST, any speed switching, any C states > C1
disabled. You also might try the latest LinuxCNC image (Buster)
in case you have a kernel issue.
Are all power management options disabled in the BIOS?
This means EIST, any speed switching, any C states > C1
disabled. You also might try the latest LinuxCNC image (Buster)
in case you have a kernel issue.
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01 Dec 2020 15:30 #190774
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PJ just emailed me and the drive had been updated from what I sent to 2.8 so that explains the uname -a differences.
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01 Dec 2020 17:07 #190782
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JT,
I should have made mention that I did do the upgrade to 2.8 from 2.7.15...My apologies if it caused any confusion...I originally advised PJ to order from you and get the 2.7 version as I was not familiar with the 2.8 as yet...I don't remember doing an latency test after he received the HDD from you...After reading that 2.8 had the gantry squaring I told PJ that I was going to do the upgrade and explained to him why...
PCW,
I went through BIOS and disabled everything that had anything to do with power management...As I am not at my friend's shop right now I am not able to access his computer/BIOS, but at the first time of set up I thought I covered that as being an issue....One thing I do remember, his computer is a 6 core and I did not find any means to disable most of those cores...I will have to go through BIOS again...We will keep in mind doing a Buster image if we can't get it fixed...I have not run into any issues with the Stretch image and find it very stable IMHO...
Mike
I should have made mention that I did do the upgrade to 2.8 from 2.7.15...My apologies if it caused any confusion...I originally advised PJ to order from you and get the 2.7 version as I was not familiar with the 2.8 as yet...I don't remember doing an latency test after he received the HDD from you...After reading that 2.8 had the gantry squaring I told PJ that I was going to do the upgrade and explained to him why...
PCW,
I went through BIOS and disabled everything that had anything to do with power management...As I am not at my friend's shop right now I am not able to access his computer/BIOS, but at the first time of set up I thought I covered that as being an issue....One thing I do remember, his computer is a 6 core and I did not find any means to disable most of those cores...I will have to go through BIOS again...We will keep in mind doing a Buster image if we can't get it fixed...I have not run into any issues with the Stretch image and find it very stable IMHO...
Mike
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