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[Resolved]Struggling with MESA driving VFD using 0-10v 7i96s->7i76
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18 Aug 2023 09:50 - 18 Aug 2023 09:52 #278339
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Hi,
I'm having some trouble getting the following to work in 0-10v
-MESA 7i96s -> 7i76 -> TB4 spindle driver connector
-Folinn BD600
Pin connections are below.
If I turn the spindle on, I get the correct scaled voltage on pin 2 ie 2.5V when at 1/4 speed, however the spindle doesn't startup.
If I pull cables S1, S2, GND from the TB4 and connect them manually I get the motor to go forward (S1->GND) and reverse (S1&S2->GND) so it seems like the VFD is setup correctly and basic wiring is in place. But it's not working from the Linux->MESA control.
What I've tested:
When connected S1 and S2 have ~25v on them to the VFD GND wire.
When turning the spindle on S1 goes to ~0.8v, S2 stays 25v.
When turning the spindle in reverse S1 is at ~0.8v and S2 goes to ~0.8v. (So MESA transistor(s) seems to be working).
I've tried reversing the signal -> gnd pins, it seemed to work sometimes and the motor starts up intermittently but the motor wouldn't turn off fully, it would drop to a really slow RPM (<10 rpm? ) and there was some Hz getting registered on the VFD, but no voltage on Pin2/A1 relative to ground... (earth leakage/noise potentially? I've used shielded cable and earthed it.)
I've tried using ENA and DIR pins to drive an external SSR with the same results.. maybe I need a mechanical relay?
Something I'm doing preventing me from getting a switch type of connection between S1 and S2 to ground....
Maybe I need a pull-up/pull-down resistor??.. (FYI if it's not obvious I'm not really confident with electronics, ok with electrics)
Maybe I need to run multiple ground wires, currently I'm sharing the one wire to the VFD as my cable was 6 core shielded not 8.
Note that I tried to get it running via VFMOD and didn't have any success, I was told that the modbus is broken in the latest firmware by Conan motor (in AU), F07.09 = 30.012. But it could also be the ebay RS485 usb driver.
I'm having some trouble getting the following to work in 0-10v
-MESA 7i96s -> 7i76 -> TB4 spindle driver connector
-Folinn BD600
Pin connections are below.
If I turn the spindle on, I get the correct scaled voltage on pin 2 ie 2.5V when at 1/4 speed, however the spindle doesn't startup.
If I pull cables S1, S2, GND from the TB4 and connect them manually I get the motor to go forward (S1->GND) and reverse (S1&S2->GND) so it seems like the VFD is setup correctly and basic wiring is in place. But it's not working from the Linux->MESA control.
What I've tested:
When connected S1 and S2 have ~25v on them to the VFD GND wire.
When turning the spindle on S1 goes to ~0.8v, S2 stays 25v.
When turning the spindle in reverse S1 is at ~0.8v and S2 goes to ~0.8v. (So MESA transistor(s) seems to be working).
I've tried reversing the signal -> gnd pins, it seemed to work sometimes and the motor starts up intermittently but the motor wouldn't turn off fully, it would drop to a really slow RPM (<10 rpm? ) and there was some Hz getting registered on the VFD, but no voltage on Pin2/A1 relative to ground... (earth leakage/noise potentially? I've used shielded cable and earthed it.)
I've tried using ENA and DIR pins to drive an external SSR with the same results.. maybe I need a mechanical relay?
Something I'm doing preventing me from getting a switch type of connection between S1 and S2 to ground....
Maybe I need a pull-up/pull-down resistor??.. (FYI if it's not obvious I'm not really confident with electronics, ok with electrics)
Maybe I need to run multiple ground wires, currently I'm sharing the one wire to the VFD as my cable was 6 core shielded not 8.
MESA DESC BD600 connection
MESA PIN 8 = Spindle DIR + --> Reverse --> S2
MESA PIN 7 = Spindle DIR - --> GND --> DCM/ACM
MESA PIN 6 = Spindle Enable + --> FWD --> S1
MESA PIN 5 = Spindle Enable - --> GND --> DCM/ACM
MESA PIN 3 = Spindle + --> 10V --> 10v
MESA PIN 2 = Spindle OUT --> Target value --> AI1 (0-10v)
MESA PIN 1 = Spindle - --> Gnd --> ACM/DCM
Note that I tried to get it running via VFMOD and didn't have any success, I was told that the modbus is broken in the latest firmware by Conan motor (in AU), F07.09 = 30.012. But it could also be the ebay RS485 usb driver.
Last edit: 18 Aug 2023 09:52 by camb0. Reason: formatting
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18 Aug 2023 10:44 #278342
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Replied by tommylight on topic Struggling with MESA driving VFD using 0-10v 7i96s->7i76
Try in MDI
M3 S1000
M3 S1000
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18 Aug 2023 12:10 - 18 Aug 2023 12:12 #278360
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Replied by camb0 on topic Struggling with MESA driving VFD using 0-10v 7i96s->7i76
Thx Tommy
I had tested the scaling using the m3 s1000 as well as via the UI.
I also had Halshow up watching the spindle pins, velocity/rpm and MESA outputs which all looked to be ok.
Very open to any other ideas suggestions as well.
I had tested the scaling using the m3 s1000 as well as via the UI.
I also had Halshow up watching the spindle pins, velocity/rpm and MESA outputs which all looked to be ok.
Very open to any other ideas suggestions as well.
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18 Aug 2023 12:48 #278365
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Replied by PCW on topic Struggling with MESA driving VFD using 0-10v 7i96s->7i76
If the FWD/REV wires switch from ~25V to ~0.8V and the Analog out is about right,
there's nothing wrong with the 7I76, Sounds like wiring, VFD setup or VFD fault.
there's nothing wrong with the 7I76, Sounds like wiring, VFD setup or VFD fault.
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19 Aug 2023 04:19 - 19 Aug 2023 04:35 #278438
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Replied by camb0 on topic [Resolved]Struggling with MESA driving VFD using 0-10v 7i96s->7i76
I rewired it w/8 shielded cores and still have the same problem.
The voltage drop improved and went to 0.75 (was 0.82 or thereabouts).
I found I needed to increase the VFD signal delay time (was looking for a voltage threshold but didn't find for S1 or S2), F05.12 = 0.010s by default, changing it to 0.030s seems reliable.
Thx for the help.
The voltage drop improved and went to 0.75 (was 0.82 or thereabouts).
I found I needed to increase the VFD signal delay time (was looking for a voltage threshold but didn't find for S1 or S2), F05.12 = 0.010s by default, changing it to 0.030s seems reliable.
Thx for the help.
Last edit: 19 Aug 2023 04:35 by camb0.
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