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25 Mar 2009 19:41 #11 by alex_joni
Linuxcnc.org forum was created by alex_joni
Forum is up and running for a short test phase.
It still might get closed down without further notice ;)

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12 Apr 2009 19:22 #71 by cmorley
Replied by cmorley on topic Re:Linuxcnc.org forum
This has been running for 2 weeks? I had no idea-must have missed the first announcement...
One suggestion is to put a easily seen link on the opening page of the web site.
it's too hard to find the first time IMHO and I was looking for it.

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12 Apr 2009 20:54 #72 by alex_joni
Replied by alex_joni on topic Re:Linuxcnc.org forum
cmorley wrote:

This has been running for 2 weeks? I had no idea-must have missed the first announcement...
One suggestion is to put a easily seen link on the opening page of the web site.
it's too hard to find the first time IMHO and I was looking for it.


I'm still weiry about advertising the forum too much, since we haven't decided what we should do about it.
Some people like a forum, others prefer a mailing list.
Having both splits up the users, and the people providing feedback.. And since emc2 is a small-ish community, it's not necessarely a good thing.

Regards,
Alex

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12 Apr 2009 21:17 #73 by BigJohnT
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It seems to me that the forum would not detract from the mailing list or divide the users but rather give those folks that go to the Zone who prefer a forum an alternate place to go. IMHO the forum should complement the mailing list and the IRC not be in competition with them. It also gives the new users who are used to a forum an entrance point that is user friendly to windoz people... The forum also adds the functionaly of being able to add a file or an image to a post. Also you can see what folks look like when they are laying down on the job :) or sitting on their bikes....

John

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13 Apr 2009 09:41 #74 by alex_joni
Replied by alex_joni on topic Re:Linuxcnc.org forum
BigJohnT wrote:

or sitting on their bikes....


You mean wasting "community" time? :P

Alex

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14 Apr 2009 00:30 #78 by jimlas53
Replied by jimlas53 on topic Re:Linuxcnc.org forum
There are folks who just want to have a working CNC system. They aren't Linux programmers, they shouldn't need to be. I've subscribed to the mailing list since 2003, spending countless hours going through the numerous digests filling up my inbox to sift out what I can use. I find forums to be very helpful, the Ubuntu forums are a great example. I started with Ubuntu right when Dapper was released (I think) and the forums provided all the help I needed to get comfortable with Ubuntu.
The EMC community should find this forum to be helpful, especially as more posts capture some of the common issues new users run into. Much easier to search this forum than go through the digest archives!

-Doug

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14 Apr 2009 06:45 #79 by luminize
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jimlas53 wrote:

There are folks who just want to have a working CNC system.

especially as more posts capture some of the common issues new users run into. Much easier to search this forum

I stumbled on EMC2 3 weeks ago, and i also just want to use and adjust the system. I have a little experience with linux, and as you say, forums provide a lot of info. My first thing to do when i run into any kind of problem/bug is to search google and the diverse fora. For example, thanks to fora i got my wacom tablet working under linux. In the future i'll have a working CNC system :)

Bas

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14 Apr 2009 23:44 #91 by jmkasunich
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So far, the people who are in favor of a forum are mostly commenting about how forums are good places to get their questions answered, without having to read a bunch of unrelated stuff.

That is true - a forum is very convenient for people who are ASKING questions. If you have a question, you ask it, and then come back later and look in that thread (and that thread only) for answers. You don't have to filter thruough unrelated messages, etc.

BUT - look at it from the other side - suppose you are one of the people who ANSWERS questions.... In order to answer questions, you need to read all of the threads. That is the only way to see what the questions are, and find the ones you know how to answer. Email is SO much easier for that.

Every email client makes it obvious which messages you've already read and which ones you haven't. Doing the same thing on a forum is much harder. One of the EMC2 developers (not me) has been experimenting with exactly that for several days now, and still hasn't found a decent way to do it. The closest approach has involved an RSS feed from the forum, and third-party software to convert that into emails. Simply put, YUCK.

Another advantage of email for answering questions - most email clients can notice when a new mail arrives. My computer beeped while I was typing this - I looked at my email, and there was a question about the parallel port driver. I knew the answer, so I replied, then came back here and continued typing. Total time from question to answer, maybe 5 minutes. If that same question was asked on a forum, I wouldn't see it unless I decided to sit down and spend 15 minutes (or an hour, or whatever it takes) to go through all the new posts.

So - a forum is easy for the people who want to ask questions, but hard for the ones who answer questions. If it is too hard, the answer people might not hang around in the forum much, and there won't be very many answers.

Regards,

John Kasunich

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15 Apr 2009 05:49 #92 by luminize
Replied by luminize on topic Re:Linuxcnc.org forum
True, you have a point from the answering side.
How do you gather related questions in the archives or mail? Say i want to use EMC, but sometimes i have a question. The first thing i look for is if someone already got an answer for that same question. So i don't bother the answerers with the same question for the 10'th time.
I'm not used with mailinglists, i tried to search thru the archives, but couldn't find the answer.

Regards,
Bas

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15 Apr 2009 07:12 #94 by alex_joni
Replied by alex_joni on topic Re:Linuxcnc.org forum
I agree the sourceforge archives are pretty bad to be searched.
There is also a copy of the archive at gmane , and a search tab at the bottom.
Also usually, when I want to seach for something I basicly use google search. Quite often the answer is in the wiki, or in the IRC logs, or in the online documentation.

PS: I also agree that the "ASKING" users are served a bit better by a forum, and I also use RSS to keep track of new posts, which is a bit of a pita.

Regards,
Alex

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