Mazak dinosaur retrofit questions
13 Sep 2013 05:34 - 13 Sep 2013 05:43 #38715
by Poma
Mazak dinosaur retrofit questions was created by Poma
Greetings, first timer here.
I have this ancient lathe that has already been redone a few times mechanically, VQC30/50b. There is an NC checksum error now that can't seem to be fixed for less than $4k, so I figure it's time to upgrade. Everything works otherwise.
Spindle is an AC 3~ 200V 56A induction motor. Easy enough to replace that drive/motor since the motor has nameplate ratings.
The axes seem to be quite more difficult because I can't find out any specs on the motors or drives.
Can one of you gurus help me find the power and speed of these motors or drives? I might just end up replacing the lot, but need to have a ballpark for replacement.
I have this ancient lathe that has already been redone a few times mechanically, VQC30/50b. There is an NC checksum error now that can't seem to be fixed for less than $4k, so I figure it's time to upgrade. Everything works otherwise.
Spindle is an AC 3~ 200V 56A induction motor. Easy enough to replace that drive/motor since the motor has nameplate ratings.
The axes seem to be quite more difficult because I can't find out any specs on the motors or drives.
- X: HD-101-12 Permanent Magnet DC motor. TRA41A drive
- Y: HD-201-12 Permanent Magnet DC motor. TRA61A drive
- Z: HD-101-12 Permanent Magnet DC motor. TRA41A drive
Can one of you gurus help me find the power and speed of these motors or drives? I might just end up replacing the lot, but need to have a ballpark for replacement.
Last edit: 13 Sep 2013 05:43 by Poma. Reason: fixed wrong drive part number
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13 Sep 2013 13:11 #38746
by cmorley
Replied by cmorley on topic Mazak dinosaur retrofit questions
I tried google fu but came up empty for specs
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Chris M
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Chris M
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13 Sep 2013 16:23 #38755
by Jerre122
Replied by Jerre122 on topic Mazak dinosaur retrofit questions
Have you tried sending an email to mitsubishi? They might be able to send some documentation.
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13 Sep 2013 20:54 #38763
by Poma
Replied by Poma on topic Mazak dinosaur retrofit questions
MEAU are yet to respond. I just put in another request with a distributor.
We have some important parts waiting and I wanted to get this running as a manual non-CNC asap, then add CNC early next year when time permits. I might just have to take a stab at the speed and power ratings. I know the drive is 14A (continuous or peak ... not sure). Don't know the voltage but perhaps I can coax the power supply into giving up its secrets.
Thanks for your help gentlemen.
We have some important parts waiting and I wanted to get this running as a manual non-CNC asap, then add CNC early next year when time permits. I might just have to take a stab at the speed and power ratings. I know the drive is 14A (continuous or peak ... not sure). Don't know the voltage but perhaps I can coax the power supply into giving up its secrets.
Thanks for your help gentlemen.
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13 Sep 2013 20:57 #38764
by andypugh
I found a manual for the mechanics and spindle motor / drive: catiadoc.free.fr/img/VQCmaintenance.pdf
But that is no help. The axis motors might have been considered part of the CNC Controller set.
You may be able to work out the motor rating from the drive rating, if that is easier to find.
It looks like they might be permanent magnet DC brushed motors, which are at least pretty easy to drive, so you "only" need to work out the encoder pinout.
Replied by andypugh on topic Mazak dinosaur retrofit questions
The axes seem to be quite more difficult because I can't find out any specs on the motors or drives.
I found a manual for the mechanics and spindle motor / drive: catiadoc.free.fr/img/VQCmaintenance.pdf
But that is no help. The axis motors might have been considered part of the CNC Controller set.
You may be able to work out the motor rating from the drive rating, if that is easier to find.
It looks like they might be permanent magnet DC brushed motors, which are at least pretty easy to drive, so you "only" need to work out the encoder pinout.
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13 Sep 2013 21:57 #38768
by PCW
Replied by PCW on topic Mazak dinosaur retrofit questions
Here is a link to someone on cnczone that figured out the drive
interface connections to the TRA41A (the TRA61A may be similar)
www.cnczone.com/forums/mazak_mitsubishi_..._interface_help.html
They appear to be standard Analog drives though you may find
that the motors have resolvers instead of encoders
If the drives work you may be able to use the motors/drives as is
interface connections to the TRA41A (the TRA61A may be similar)
www.cnczone.com/forums/mazak_mitsubishi_..._interface_help.html
They appear to be standard Analog drives though you may find
that the motors have resolvers instead of encoders
If the drives work you may be able to use the motors/drives as is
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14 Sep 2013 01:00 #38779
by Poma
Replied by Poma on topic Mazak dinosaur retrofit questions
Called a few places and finally got the Mitsubishi tech number (847-478-2500). Just for future reference, it is a 1.1KW 1000 RPM 200V PMDC motor.
PCW, that might prove to be very useful. Thanks for finding that.
PCW, that might prove to be very useful. Thanks for finding that.
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28 Sep 2013 20:50 #39319
by robh
Replied by robh on topic Mazak dinosaur retrofit questions
hi there,
yea PCW found my post, its also posted on here some where, look for leadwell retrofit from my name.
Mitsubishi are no help i tried them first time around they basically said whats wrong with the control lol
so after some prodding and probing i found that info, and should be quite the same for all the TRA models i would say as just power side of things that changed for bigger motors.
they are very good drives and motors when you get them tuned and setup right highly reliable also just big money if they ever go wrong but then i would just replace with AC at that point.
rob
yea PCW found my post, its also posted on here some where, look for leadwell retrofit from my name.
Mitsubishi are no help i tried them first time around they basically said whats wrong with the control lol
so after some prodding and probing i found that info, and should be quite the same for all the TRA models i would say as just power side of things that changed for bigger motors.
they are very good drives and motors when you get them tuned and setup right highly reliable also just big money if they ever go wrong but then i would just replace with AC at that point.
rob
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