Retrofitting a small bending machine
07 Aug 2024 14:15 #307178
by DoWerna
Retrofitting a small bending machine was created by DoWerna
Hi
seem to have stumbled into a little project.
I have already retrofitted my Maho MH500 and a cycle lathe to Linuxcnc
retrofitted, which is why a friend has now asked me to have a look
to have a look at his bending machine.
The press was probably retrofitted to a newer control system.
However, it has now stopped working and when I switch it on I get the error message
"WARNING LOST VIDEO TABLES"
if I google this I only find 3 forum entries, but without any answer or even a solution.
I can't say whether the controller is broken or "just" lost the programming or parameters...
In any case, I now need a replacement.
A simple 3-axis positioning controller.
The controller would only have to control 2 stops and the press stop.
all 3 axes have analog -10/+10V drives
there are probably 3 encoders somewhere for the position feedback
and that's about it.
I don't need cycles and bending programs.
If we get the 3 axes into the desired position via the control system and
then operate the press hydraulically as usual is enough...
If the machine were in my shop, I would say
Linuxcnc Raspberry, small TFT mesa card and I operate the thing via Gcode in MDI.
Maybe there is a simpler standalone solution?
seem to have stumbled into a little project.
I have already retrofitted my Maho MH500 and a cycle lathe to Linuxcnc
retrofitted, which is why a friend has now asked me to have a look
to have a look at his bending machine.
The press was probably retrofitted to a newer control system.
However, it has now stopped working and when I switch it on I get the error message
"WARNING LOST VIDEO TABLES"
if I google this I only find 3 forum entries, but without any answer or even a solution.
I can't say whether the controller is broken or "just" lost the programming or parameters...
In any case, I now need a replacement.
A simple 3-axis positioning controller.
The controller would only have to control 2 stops and the press stop.
all 3 axes have analog -10/+10V drives
there are probably 3 encoders somewhere for the position feedback
and that's about it.
I don't need cycles and bending programs.
If we get the 3 axes into the desired position via the control system and
then operate the press hydraulically as usual is enough...
If the machine were in my shop, I would say
Linuxcnc Raspberry, small TFT mesa card and I operate the thing via Gcode in MDI.
Maybe there is a simpler standalone solution?
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09 Aug 2024 01:35 #307284
by EW_CNC
Replied by EW_CNC on topic Retrofitting a small bending machine
DoWerna,
I have retrofitted a press brake with LinuxCNC.
You can checkout my forum topic Pressbrake CNC Control .
We are using it regularly for bending. I still have an issue with homing the backstop, but otherwise it is working good.
- Earl
I have retrofitted a press brake with LinuxCNC.
You can checkout my forum topic Pressbrake CNC Control .
We are using it regularly for bending. I still have an issue with homing the backstop, but otherwise it is working good.
- Earl
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23 Aug 2024 01:20 #308435
by Benb
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23 Aug 2024 07:48 - 23 Aug 2024 09:42 #308444
by Tinine
This might come across as ridiculous but I can handle the whole thing on a $10 RPi Pico 2 + support devices
This chip has "PIO state machines" and I am reading 4 quadrature encoders with a maximum rate > 5M quadrature counts/sec without using any of the two cores' processing power.
One core of the RP2350 MCU handles the servo PIDs + velocity profilers and the other core handles video. Motor command is 12-bit +-10v
I have been designing/building metal forming controls (up to 21 axes) since 1988 and this is my latest development. Right now I have a bunch of CNC tube-benders to retrofit with this thing (3-axis and 5-axis) and the control development is on-going.
Just thought I'd throw it out there.
Example of one of my tube bender retrofits Microcontroller motion system and an Android tablet (protected) front-end
Replied by Tinine on topic Retrofitting a small bending machine
What is your time frame?Hi
seem to have stumbled into a little project.
I have already retrofitted my Maho MH500 and a cycle lathe to Linuxcnc
retrofitted, which is why a friend has now asked me to have a look
to have a look at his bending machine.
The press was probably retrofitted to a newer control system.
However, it has now stopped working and when I switch it on I get the error message
"WARNING LOST VIDEO TABLES"
if I google this I only find 3 forum entries, but without any answer or even a solution.
I can't say whether the controller is broken or "just" lost the programming or parameters...
In any case, I now need a replacement.
A simple 3-axis positioning controller.
The controller would only have to control 2 stops and the press stop.
all 3 axes have analog -10/+10V drives
there are probably 3 encoders somewhere for the position feedback
and that's about it.
I don't need cycles and bending programs.
If we get the 3 axes into the desired position via the control system and
then operate the press hydraulically as usual is enough...
If the machine were in my shop, I would say
Linuxcnc Raspberry, small TFT mesa card and I operate the thing via Gcode in MDI.
Maybe there is a simpler standalone solution?
This might come across as ridiculous but I can handle the whole thing on a $10 RPi Pico 2 + support devices
This chip has "PIO state machines" and I am reading 4 quadrature encoders with a maximum rate > 5M quadrature counts/sec without using any of the two cores' processing power.
One core of the RP2350 MCU handles the servo PIDs + velocity profilers and the other core handles video. Motor command is 12-bit +-10v
I have been designing/building metal forming controls (up to 21 axes) since 1988 and this is my latest development. Right now I have a bunch of CNC tube-benders to retrofit with this thing (3-axis and 5-axis) and the control development is on-going.
Just thought I'd throw it out there.
Example of one of my tube bender retrofits Microcontroller motion system and an Android tablet (protected) front-end
Last edit: 23 Aug 2024 09:42 by Tinine.
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