spindle doesn’t work
10 Jul 2024 10:12 #304797
by mnikulski
spindle doesn’t work was created by mnikulski
Using LINIXCNC 2.9.2 on Debian 12 in combination with a Mesa card 7i76e. The wiring is like thisMesa <=> VFD
Dir + +12V
Dir - REV
En + +12V
En - nc
nc
SPI + +10V
SPI OP AVI
SPI - COMI setup in the INI file MAX_OUTPUT = 20000 which should correspond to 20000 rpm of my spindle specification. In the HAL file I setupnet spindle-cw => hm2_7i76e.0.7i76.0.0.spindir
net spindle-enable => hm2_7i76e.0.7i76.0.0.spinena
net spindle-vel-cmd-rpm => hm2_7i76e.0.7i76.0.0.spinoutsetp hm2_7i76e.0.7i76.0.0.spinout-scalemax [SPINDLE_0]MAX_OUTPUT I’m lost in what the issue is.
Any hints are welcome
Dir + +12V
Dir - REV
En + +12V
En - nc
nc
SPI + +10V
SPI OP AVI
SPI - COMI setup in the INI file MAX_OUTPUT = 20000 which should correspond to 20000 rpm of my spindle specification. In the HAL file I setupnet spindle-cw => hm2_7i76e.0.7i76.0.0.spindir
net spindle-enable => hm2_7i76e.0.7i76.0.0.spinena
net spindle-vel-cmd-rpm => hm2_7i76e.0.7i76.0.0.spinoutsetp hm2_7i76e.0.7i76.0.0.spinout-scalemax [SPINDLE_0]MAX_OUTPUT I’m lost in what the issue is.
Any hints are welcome
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10 Jul 2024 10:25 - 10 Jul 2024 10:27 #304801
by Aciera
Replied by Aciera on topic spindle doesn’t work
Try connecting the mesa 'En-' to VFD 'FWD' and see if you can get the spindle to run in forward direction.
[edit]
Also, you need to uncomment this line in your hal:#net spindle-enable <= spindle.0.on
[edit]
Also, you need to uncomment this line in your hal:#net spindle-enable <= spindle.0.on
Last edit: 10 Jul 2024 10:27 by Aciera.
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10 Jul 2024 11:53 #304804
by mnikulski
Replied by mnikulski on topic spindle doesn’t work
I made the change you advised, but no success.
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10 Jul 2024 12:38 #304805
by Aciera
Replied by Aciera on topic spindle doesn’t work
Use the 'Show HAL Configuration' to verify that
'hm2_7i76e.0.7i76.0.0.spinena' is TRUE
and
'hm2_7i76e.0.7i76.0.0.spinout' is set
If that is ok then check if you actually have a voltage arriving at VFD 'AVI'.
Also check the VFD parameter settings to allow the spindle speed to be set by analog voltage input 'AVI'
If you have a potentiometer handy then you can connect that to the VFD analog input and see if you can change the spindle speed by manipulating the VFD inputs manually.
'hm2_7i76e.0.7i76.0.0.spinena' is TRUE
and
'hm2_7i76e.0.7i76.0.0.spinout' is set
If that is ok then check if you actually have a voltage arriving at VFD 'AVI'.
Also check the VFD parameter settings to allow the spindle speed to be set by analog voltage input 'AVI'
If you have a potentiometer handy then you can connect that to the VFD analog input and see if you can change the spindle speed by manipulating the VFD inputs manually.
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10 Jul 2024 14:25 #304813
by mnikulski
Replied by mnikulski on topic spindle doesn’t work
I made a simple test. Removing all wires from Mesa to VFD and making a short on AVI <=> +10V as well FWD <=> +12V. If I'm right the spindle should start right after I power the setup. But the spindle didn't start. Is my understanding correct that the VFD is broken?
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10 Jul 2024 14:29 #304815
by tommylight
Replied by tommylight on topic spindle doesn’t work
Not yet, VFD's do require another signal to enable the VFD, usually named fwd or run, and if reverse mode is required there is also the rew or dir pin. Se the VFD manual how those signals should be triggered.
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10 Jul 2024 14:39 #304816
by Aciera
Replied by Aciera on topic spindle doesn’t work
Since I see no other enabling input on the image of your VFD it is most likely a parameter setting issue in the VFD itself. My suggestion would be to have a look in the VFD manual. Usually there are parameters that need to be set to select the function of the analog voltage input.and making a short on AVI <=> +10V as well FWD <=> +12V.
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10 Jul 2024 14:54 #304817
by tommylight
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Ok now i had a look back, see if the VFD has something similar to "remote" and "local", where local means control only over the built in keyboard and remote means control only over the wires.
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10 Jul 2024 15:07 #304819
by mnikulski
Replied by mnikulski on topic spindle doesn’t work
I do have a panel where I can switch between manual and automatic. Was keeping it always in automatic mode.
Unfortunately, I've no documentation from this VFD.
I add another short between COM <=> REV and now the spindle starts rotating going to the maximum speed. Not bad, now I will return to the Mesa card wiring but now keep COM <=> REV.
Unfortunately, I've no documentation from this VFD.
I add another short between COM <=> REV and now the spindle starts rotating going to the maximum speed. Not bad, now I will return to the Mesa card wiring but now keep COM <=> REV.
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10 Jul 2024 15:19 #304820
by Aciera
Replied by Aciera on topic spindle doesn’t work
So that would indicate that the digital inputs need to be connected to COM rather than +12V.
I that case you can try to connect FWD to En+ and COM to En-.
If you need to reverse the spindle then you will need an extra relay that at rest connects En+ to FWD and when energized connects En+ to REV. The relay coil is driven by DIR-.
I that case you can try to connect FWD to En+ and COM to En-.
If you need to reverse the spindle then you will need an extra relay that at rest connects En+ to FWD and when energized connects En+ to REV. The relay coil is driven by DIR-.
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