5i25/7i76 analog spindle control on Lathe spindle
16 Aug 2024 01:58 - 17 Aug 2024 15:53 #307868
by acondit
5i25/7i76 analog spindle control on Lathe spindle was created by acondit
My spindle motor is a 90v dc treadmill motor, I am using a Cyclotrol C150 controller (0-10V analog) (potentiometer replacement).
The motor will supposedly run 3200rpm at 110v. I have it geared down to the spindle 20 teeth on the motor and 45 teeth on the spindle.
I have a 100 slot counter with index on the Spindle. Should I ignore the gearing and just treat it as a 1100 rpm motor at 10v.
Then calculate the scaling from that or how should I deal with the scaling. Currently the at-speed indicator works up to about 100rpm and then turns off for higher speeds.
the following is from PNCConf:
net spindle-vel-cmd-rps => near.0.in1
net spindle-vel-fb-rps => near.0.in2
net spindle-at-speed <= near.0.out
setp near.0.scale 1.000000
setp near.0.difference 8.333333
The motor will supposedly run 3200rpm at 110v. I have it geared down to the spindle 20 teeth on the motor and 45 teeth on the spindle.
I have a 100 slot counter with index on the Spindle. Should I ignore the gearing and just treat it as a 1100 rpm motor at 10v.
Then calculate the scaling from that or how should I deal with the scaling. Currently the at-speed indicator works up to about 100rpm and then turns off for higher speeds.
the following is from PNCConf:
net spindle-vel-cmd-rps => near.0.in1
net spindle-vel-fb-rps => near.0.in2
net spindle-at-speed <= near.0.out
setp near.0.scale 1.000000
setp near.0.difference 8.333333
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Last edit: 17 Aug 2024 15:53 by acondit. Reason: Corrected specs on Spindle motor
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16 Aug 2024 04:25 #307878
by PCW
Replied by PCW on topic 5i25/7i76 analog spindle control on Lathe spindle
Does sound like the scaling is off
You probably need to check the actual vs commanded RPM
over the entire range to figure out the proper scaling number
You probably need to check the actual vs commanded RPM
over the entire range to figure out the proper scaling number
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16 Aug 2024 18:50 #307954
by acondit
Replied by acondit on topic 5i25/7i76 analog spindle control on Lathe spindle
spindle-vel-cmd-rps is positive but spindle-vel-fb-rps is negative.
Should I use spindle-vel-fb-rps-abs???
So it seems that the comparison is destined to fail at the moment,
there is some (significant) difference in the value of the commanded vs reported speed.
If I can get it compare positive to positive maybe I can figure out the correct scale.
Should I use spindle-vel-fb-rps-abs???
So it seems that the comparison is destined to fail at the moment,
there is some (significant) difference in the value of the commanded vs reported speed.
If I can get it compare positive to positive maybe I can figure out the correct scale.
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16 Aug 2024 18:52 #307955
by PCW
Replied by PCW on topic 5i25/7i76 analog spindle control on Lathe spindle
At minimum, you need to change the sign of the encoder scale
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16 Aug 2024 21:48 #307969
by acondit
Replied by acondit on topic 5i25/7i76 analog spindle control on Lathe spindle
What is the line
setp near.0.difference 8.33333
supposed to do?
After changing the ENCODER scale, I have At-Speed indicator all the way up to 1000-1100 rpm. I looked up the motor and it is rated at 3200 rpm at 110 volts. It looks like I am getting a max of around 2475 rpm.
setp near.0.difference 8.33333
supposed to do?
After changing the ENCODER scale, I have At-Speed indicator all the way up to 1000-1100 rpm. I looked up the motor and it is rated at 3200 rpm at 110 volts. It looks like I am getting a max of around 2475 rpm.
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16 Aug 2024 23:47 #307973
by PCW
Replied by PCW on topic 5i25/7i76 analog spindle control on Lathe spindle
setp near.0.difference 8.33333
In this case means you have to be within 8.33 RPM of the
commanded RPM to make spindle at speed true
man near
In this case means you have to be within 8.33 RPM of the
commanded RPM to make spindle at speed true
man near
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17 Aug 2024 15:35 - 17 Aug 2024 15:40 #308008
by acondit
Replied by acondit on topic 5i25/7i76 analog spindle control on Lathe spindle
I turned on the spindle in Axis and bumped the speeds using the "+" button.
Here are the RPM outputs for CMD vs FB using HALSHOW:
CMD 0 101 201 301 401 501
FB 0 180 390 600 800 1000
FB is an approximation because it was fluctuating over a range of about 20rpm.
Spindle basically maxs out at 500rpm commanded.
Here are the RPM outputs for CMD vs FB using HALSHOW:
CMD 0 101 201 301 401 501
FB 0 180 390 600 800 1000
FB is an approximation because it was fluctuating over a range of about 20rpm.
Spindle basically maxs out at 500rpm commanded.
Last edit: 17 Aug 2024 15:40 by acondit. Reason: Trying to line up columns
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17 Aug 2024 15:44 #308009
by PCW
Replied by PCW on topic 5i25/7i76 analog spindle control on Lathe spindle
So is the encoder scaling wrong? (2x too high)
Is there an independent way to measure the actual spindle RPM?
Is there an independent way to measure the actual spindle RPM?
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17 Aug 2024 15:58 #308010
by acondit
Replied by acondit on topic 5i25/7i76 analog spindle control on Lathe spindle
I can't think of anything that I have that would allow me to do that.
I edited the first message to add my ".hal" and ".ini" files.
One thing that seemed weird to me was in pncconf. Even though I had single input 100 line encoder checked, if I go into "calculate scale" it shows 25 line encoder x 4.
I edited the first message to add my ".hal" and ".ini" files.
One thing that seemed weird to me was in pncconf. Even though I had single input 100 line encoder checked, if I go into "calculate scale" it shows 25 line encoder x 4.
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17 Aug 2024 17:04 - 17 Aug 2024 17:04 #308012
by PCW
Replied by PCW on topic 5i25/7i76 analog spindle control on Lathe spindle
Did you verify that you get 100 counts if you rotate the spindle one turn by hand?
Is the scale in the INI file 100? (or -100)
Is the scale in the INI file 100? (or -100)
Last edit: 17 Aug 2024 17:04 by PCW.
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