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16 Dec 2025 01:34 - 16 Dec 2025 03:00 #340164
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Moderator Notice Regarding Links To Unsanctioned Mirrors - Clarfication was created by langdons
Inspired by the post of the same name by unknown.
Referring to this: forum.linuxcnc.org/29-forum-announcement...unsanctioned-mirrors
First of all, does <removed> count as a mirror?
It's not a real mirror, it's an A record to the IP of forum.linuxcnc.org in my Cloudflare DNS.
Second of all, I assume <removed> counts and must be removed from posts (bla bla bla) because it's served from Cloudflare Pages from my fork of the LinuxCNC/wlo repo.
Third of all, I assume <removed> totally counts as it is a mirror in every sense of the term, and I assume this site is what prompted this notice.
However, if a link is explicitly labeled as being an unofficial mirror, is it allowed?
If I say "You can also download ISO files from my unsanctioned, unofficial mirror, which is not affiliated with, endorsed by, or in any way connected with the LinuxCNC foundation and/or its members at <link>", is that allowed?
Referring to this: forum.linuxcnc.org/29-forum-announcement...unsanctioned-mirrors
First of all, does <removed> count as a mirror?
It's not a real mirror, it's an A record to the IP of forum.linuxcnc.org in my Cloudflare DNS.
Second of all, I assume <removed> counts and must be removed from posts (bla bla bla) because it's served from Cloudflare Pages from my fork of the LinuxCNC/wlo repo.
Third of all, I assume <removed> totally counts as it is a mirror in every sense of the term, and I assume this site is what prompted this notice.
However, if a link is explicitly labeled as being an unofficial mirror, is it allowed?
If I say "You can also download ISO files from my unsanctioned, unofficial mirror, which is not affiliated with, endorsed by, or in any way connected with the LinuxCNC foundation and/or its members at <link>", is that allowed?
Last edit: 16 Dec 2025 03:00 by snowgoer540.
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16 Dec 2025 03:03 #340168
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Replied by snowgoer540 on topic Moderator Notice Regarding Links To Unsanctioned Mirrors - Clarfication
They all count and will be removed.
Keep it up and you will be banned.
Keep it up and you will be banned.
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16 Dec 2025 16:34 - 16 Dec 2025 21:02 #340198
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Replied by langdons on topic Moderator Notice Regarding Links To Unsanctioned Mirrors - Clarification
And may I ask what the problem is with me volunteering my (otherwise unused) server resources and CloudFlare's caching and TLS?
All other open-source projects have mirrors to help people far away have speedy access, why doesn't LinuxCNC?
All other open-source projects have mirrors to help people far away have speedy access, why doesn't LinuxCNC?
Last edit: 16 Dec 2025 21:02 by langdons.
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16 Dec 2025 17:38 #340204
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The issues is YOU, you insisting on our members use your mirror while ours is working properly, you posting links to your mirror after someone else posting links to our official server, consistently, you posting demeaning and offensive replies to other members - usually with much, much more experience than you, you posting random and blatant nonsense, sometimes very dangerous nonsense with no regard on how anyone following your advice might end up with blown up electronics or worse injured or maimed, etc, etc, the list has gotten very long.
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Personally i am tired of defending you all the time...
Replied by tommylight on topic Moderator Notice Regarding Links To Unsanctioned Mirrors - Clarification
Open source project, so nothing is private.If you don't want people to mirrror your website, make the repo private.
That seems to be some version of LinuxCNC for testing, not the one we use.Why is this public in the first place?
github.com/LinuxCNC/wlo
That is not the problem, that is very nice of you and i did mention that several times thanking you for it.And may I ask what the problem is with me volunteering my (otherwise unused) server resources and CloudFlare's caching and TLS?
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The issues is YOU, you insisting on our members use your mirror while ours is working properly, you posting links to your mirror after someone else posting links to our official server, consistently, you posting demeaning and offensive replies to other members - usually with much, much more experience than you, you posting random and blatant nonsense, sometimes very dangerous nonsense with no regard on how anyone following your advice might end up with blown up electronics or worse injured or maimed, etc, etc, the list has gotten very long.
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Personally i am tired of defending you all the time...
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16 Dec 2025 21:13 #340212
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Replied by unknown on topic Moderator Notice Regarding Links To Unsanctioned Mirrors - Clarification
It would have been good and proper to ask before starting your own mirror.
There is also the security issue as well.
And TBH apart from the forum being slow sometimes, downloading packages and ISOs have never been an issue as far as I know.
There is also the security issue as well.
And TBH apart from the forum being slow sometimes, downloading packages and ISOs have never been an issue as far as I know.
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16 Dec 2025 21:28 - 16 Dec 2025 22:38 #340214
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Replied by langdons on topic Moderator Notice Regarding Links To Unsanctioned Mirrors - Clarification
Only the www3.langdonstaab.ca (which itself is NOT a LinuxCNC mirror) link is actually a mirror.
(No, that is not a link to a LinuxCNC mirror, it's just my server with my weird stuff on it, that also happens to have 3 LinuxCNC ISO images on it solely in the iso/LinuxCNC directory)
Everything else is in some sort of grey-area.
(No, that is not a link to a LinuxCNC mirror, it's just my server with my weird stuff on it, that also happens to have 3 LinuxCNC ISO images on it solely in the iso/LinuxCNC directory)
Everything else is in some sort of grey-area.
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16 Dec 2025 22:36 - 16 Dec 2025 22:37 #340215
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No one asked you to, and as far as I am aware, you didn't ask to. LinuxCNC has official, controlled distribution channels. Posting or promoting non sanctioned mirrors is no longer permitted here. When unofficial mirrors are pushed in place of/in addition to official links, it creates confusion, support issues, security issues, and trust issues for users.
Furthermore, to echo and add to what Tommy has articulated, I don't trust you.
Replied by snowgoer540 on topic Moderator Notice Regarding Links To Unsanctioned Mirrors - Clarification
And may I ask what the problem is with me volunteering my (otherwise unused) server resources and CloudFlare's caching and TLS?
No one asked you to, and as far as I am aware, you didn't ask to. LinuxCNC has official, controlled distribution channels. Posting or promoting non sanctioned mirrors is no longer permitted here. When unofficial mirrors are pushed in place of/in addition to official links, it creates confusion, support issues, security issues, and trust issues for users.
Furthermore, to echo and add to what Tommy has articulated, I don't trust you.
Last edit: 16 Dec 2025 22:37 by snowgoer540.
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16 Dec 2025 22:47 - 17 Dec 2025 00:31 #340217
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Replied by langdons on topic Moderator Notice Regarding Links To Unsanctioned Mirrors - Clarification
Again, the alternate forum link is NOT A MIRROR; it's just a DNS A record that's proxied via CloudFlare, nothing more.
My linuxcnc.org homepage sister site is also not really a mirror in the usual sense.
It's just a CloudFlare Pages site that has its source here, on my GitHub fork of the LinuxCNC/wlo repo:
<removed>
I just made it to test if CloudFlare pages would work, which it did, and I don't really see any reason to get rid of it, as it never hurts to have a backup site.
My linuxcnc.org homepage sister site is also not really a mirror in the usual sense.
It's just a CloudFlare Pages site that has its source here, on my GitHub fork of the LinuxCNC/wlo repo:
<removed>
I just made it to test if CloudFlare pages would work, which it did, and I don't really see any reason to get rid of it, as it never hurts to have a backup site.
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16 Dec 2025 23:45 - 16 Dec 2025 23:49 #340219
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I raised the trust issue at the beginning of these shenanigans.
Not only did the raise the issue on the forum but also at github, where I thought a better response would be forth coming, I also tried to reach out to some people via email, to which I never received a reply. This was quite distressing as my only concern was security and the integrity of the project. Maybe I appeared to be a tin hat wearing weirdo.
I would feel that if the person involved in "mirroring" was a genuine player there would be no issue in ceasing this activity, just to show good faith. Actually the right thing to do would have been to start a conversation with the "Linuxcnc board", for lack of better term, at the beginning to negotiate the scope and terms and be subject to a security audit. Maybe I'm paranoid and a bit over the top.
As regards to backups. Maybe I'm being a little naive, but I would trust that these backs would be in place and no need for a "random" to take this upon themselves. Anyways a proper backup system is much more than just copying files to another server.
TBH I removed any links to my images and github prior to clarification, as I thought it was the correct and polite thing to do.
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Please note the above is not a full quote;Furthermore, to echo and add to what Tommy has articulated, I don't trust you.
I raised the trust issue at the beginning of these shenanigans.
Not only did the raise the issue on the forum but also at github, where I thought a better response would be forth coming, I also tried to reach out to some people via email, to which I never received a reply. This was quite distressing as my only concern was security and the integrity of the project. Maybe I appeared to be a tin hat wearing weirdo.
I would feel that if the person involved in "mirroring" was a genuine player there would be no issue in ceasing this activity, just to show good faith. Actually the right thing to do would have been to start a conversation with the "Linuxcnc board", for lack of better term, at the beginning to negotiate the scope and terms and be subject to a security audit. Maybe I'm paranoid and a bit over the top.
As regards to backups. Maybe I'm being a little naive, but I would trust that these backs would be in place and no need for a "random" to take this upon themselves. Anyways a proper backup system is much more than just copying files to another server.
TBH I removed any links to my images and github prior to clarification, as I thought it was the correct and polite thing to do.
Last edit: 16 Dec 2025 23:49 by unknown.
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