Problems with stepper speed
17 Dec 2013 04:41 - 17 Dec 2013 18:54 #41653
by llrjt100
Problems with stepper speed was created by llrjt100
I'm configuring a Pico-Systems Universal Step Controller with Xylotex 4 axis driver to control a Wabeco D6000E lathe. My goal is to make the best worm and wheel I can, starting simply, and increasing sophistication as needed.
Worm
This requires spindle/z axis sync - first I'll try a simple single pulse per rev spindle encoder without spindle speed control, then I can add the Pico-Systems spindle DAC and a higher resolution spindle encoder and/or z axis encoder.
Wheel
This requires a rotary table to be mounted to the toolpost and a synchronised hob to be driven by the spindle. I've got various high resolution rotary encoders I can use for the rotary table.
I'm running LinuxCNC 2.5.3 on the recommended release of Ubuntu and having a few issues:
1. My PCI parallel port is at address 0xe400 - I've added a parameter to the univstep_load.hal 'loadrt hal_ppmc port_addr=0xe400', but it doesn't find the port unless I open a terminal window first, and type '$ sudo modprobe parport_pc io=0xe400' followed by '$ sudo modprobe lp' - I'd welcome any ideas as to how I address this in the .hal files
2. My stepper speeds are very low - they are 1.8 deg, running 1/8 microsteps with a 2.5:1 belt reduction and 4 mm per turn lead - I make this 1000 micro steps per mm. Increasing max speed, acceleration and pid velocity doesn't seem to have any effect - SOLVED: - rather embarrassingly, this was being limited by my value for MAX_FEED_OVERIDE!
3. After jogging an axis a set distance, the stepper takes a time to settle - reducing the default PID 'I' value from 100 to 10 has helped, but not completely eliminated the problem. This is particularly affected by jog speed - so if I jog 0.1 mm at 50 mm/min, there are no 'settling' steps after the move. If I jog 0.1 mm at 5 mm/min, I can hear a succession of 'settling' steps after the move - the gap between them gradually getting longer until the steps stop - there is no physical encoder involved, just the stepper and the USC's virtual encoder position being sent back to LinuxCNC.
4. The example Pico-systems .hal file has 3 axes defined for thread sync - I'm currently using x & z, but not sure whether I need to somehow suppress the third one for the moment (not sure what it is either).
Any help with the above would be much appreciated
Richard
Worm
This requires spindle/z axis sync - first I'll try a simple single pulse per rev spindle encoder without spindle speed control, then I can add the Pico-Systems spindle DAC and a higher resolution spindle encoder and/or z axis encoder.
Wheel
This requires a rotary table to be mounted to the toolpost and a synchronised hob to be driven by the spindle. I've got various high resolution rotary encoders I can use for the rotary table.
I'm running LinuxCNC 2.5.3 on the recommended release of Ubuntu and having a few issues:
1. My PCI parallel port is at address 0xe400 - I've added a parameter to the univstep_load.hal 'loadrt hal_ppmc port_addr=0xe400', but it doesn't find the port unless I open a terminal window first, and type '$ sudo modprobe parport_pc io=0xe400' followed by '$ sudo modprobe lp' - I'd welcome any ideas as to how I address this in the .hal files
2. My stepper speeds are very low - they are 1.8 deg, running 1/8 microsteps with a 2.5:1 belt reduction and 4 mm per turn lead - I make this 1000 micro steps per mm. Increasing max speed, acceleration and pid velocity doesn't seem to have any effect - SOLVED: - rather embarrassingly, this was being limited by my value for MAX_FEED_OVERIDE!
3. After jogging an axis a set distance, the stepper takes a time to settle - reducing the default PID 'I' value from 100 to 10 has helped, but not completely eliminated the problem. This is particularly affected by jog speed - so if I jog 0.1 mm at 50 mm/min, there are no 'settling' steps after the move. If I jog 0.1 mm at 5 mm/min, I can hear a succession of 'settling' steps after the move - the gap between them gradually getting longer until the steps stop - there is no physical encoder involved, just the stepper and the USC's virtual encoder position being sent back to LinuxCNC.
4. The example Pico-systems .hal file has 3 axes defined for thread sync - I'm currently using x & z, but not sure whether I need to somehow suppress the third one for the moment (not sure what it is either).
Any help with the above would be much appreciated
Richard
Last edit: 17 Dec 2013 18:54 by llrjt100.
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17 Dec 2013 21:14 #41697
by andypugh
ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=166624
Or run the modprobe commands in a startup script, for example in /etc/rc/local
askubuntu.com/questions/814/how-to-run-scripts-on-start-up
This can be due to the hardware stepgen not having any "overhead" over the trajectory planner settings.
I would check that ppmc.<port>.stepgen.<channel>.max-vel is a somewhat larger number than the machine max velocity.
Replied by andypugh on topic Problems with stepper speed
You can't solve this in HAL, but you should be able to either blacklist the modules:1. My PCI parallel port is at address 0xe400 - I've added a parameter to the univstep_load.hal 'loadrt hal_ppmc port_addr=0xe400', but it doesn't find the port unless I open a terminal window first, and type '$ sudo modprobe parport_pc io=0xe400' followed by '$ sudo modprobe lp' - I'd welcome any ideas as to how I address this in the .hal files
ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=166624
Or run the modprobe commands in a startup script, for example in /etc/rc/local
askubuntu.com/questions/814/how-to-run-scripts-on-start-up
3. After jogging an axis a set distance, the stepper takes a time to settle - reducing the default PID 'I' value from 100 to 10 has helped, but not completely eliminated the problem. This is particularly affected by jog speed - so if I jog 0.1 mm at 50 mm/min, there are no 'settling' steps after the move
This can be due to the hardware stepgen not having any "overhead" over the trajectory planner settings.
I would check that ppmc.<port>.stepgen.<channel>.max-vel is a somewhat larger number than the machine max velocity.
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20 Dec 2013 20:00 #41870
by llrjt100
Replied by llrjt100 on topic Problems with stepper speed
Thanks Andy - I'll try both of the steps you have suggested.
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