NativeCAM Speed Overrides Might Not Be Safe
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04 Jul 2018 01:08 #113361
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I worry about the default preference speed overrides. I feel that nothing should be above 100%, for safety sake.
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04 Jul 2018 06:08 #113389
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I set that to 200% on all my machines, just in case.
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04 Jul 2018 17:35 - 04 Jul 2018 17:48 #113430
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That is humor, correct?
The first non-touched test of my CNC over a small pocket in a scrap of plywood. As you know the Gcode created by NativeCAM controls the spindle dynamically during the cut. It requested 26,000 rpm. I think that the VFD likely would not agree to accommodate that, but if it did, that would be my motor, right there.
Then I thought: what if I was using a Bridgeport or benchtop mill, and surfacing with a flycutter, an unbalanced tool which is not an unusual operation to do with the surfacing operation in NativeCAM. I would not want to run a fly cutter at 130% speed.
The dynamic speed system in NativeCAM is pretty sophisticated for an ad-hock improvisational milling program, but with myRonco Huanyang VFD, I run the spindle at a constant RPM so the current draw doesn't ramp up often.
No, I don't trust my VFD as far as I can throw it. It's pretty light, grasps well, and should go for some distance. With a brittle plastic housing and circuit and heavy metal heatsink inside, It would make a satisfying sound when it hits the pavement.
As you know, I am such a proponent of NativeCAM, that I've given it a standard place in my user interface design.
The first non-touched test of my CNC over a small pocket in a scrap of plywood. As you know the Gcode created by NativeCAM controls the spindle dynamically during the cut. It requested 26,000 rpm. I think that the VFD likely would not agree to accommodate that, but if it did, that would be my motor, right there.
Then I thought: what if I was using a Bridgeport or benchtop mill, and surfacing with a flycutter, an unbalanced tool which is not an unusual operation to do with the surfacing operation in NativeCAM. I would not want to run a fly cutter at 130% speed.
The dynamic speed system in NativeCAM is pretty sophisticated for an ad-hock improvisational milling program, but with my
No, I don't trust my VFD as far as I can throw it. It's pretty light, grasps well, and should go for some distance. With a brittle plastic housing and circuit and heavy metal heatsink inside, It would make a satisfying sound when it hits the pavement.
As you know, I am such a proponent of NativeCAM, that I've given it a standard place in my user interface design.
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04 Jul 2018 18:59 #113435
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No it is not humour, i actually set all my machines to go to 200% feed over ride.
As for spindle that should be programmed in the VFD so it can not go past what the spindle motor can handle, although i have pushed some 3000 RPM ones to over 4500 without complaint.
Fly cutter at 130% is .....well depends, on a mill that can do max 500 RPM that is still good, but on a mill that does 6000 RPM ( a Hurco i am working on ) that would be to much, but also dependent on the size of the fly cutter.
As for spindle that should be programmed in the VFD so it can not go past what the spindle motor can handle, although i have pushed some 3000 RPM ones to over 4500 without complaint.
Fly cutter at 130% is .....well depends, on a mill that can do max 500 RPM that is still good, but on a mill that does 6000 RPM ( a Hurco i am working on ) that would be to much, but also dependent on the size of the fly cutter.
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04 Jul 2018 19:32 #113439
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The concept of NativeCAM is to let anyone set it's preferences to what he/she likes.
I never had a complaint about this and only a few comments on this.
When you go through feed and speed tables, you will note that at 100% tool engagement, it is slower than at 50%. So with the option, anyone can do what he/she likes. If they want no override, they simply set it to 1.0.
There is no way I am going to remove the option.
What is the reason you do not do it if you do not like it ?
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I worry about the default preference speed overrides. I feel that nothing should be above 100%, for safety sake
The concept of NativeCAM is to let anyone set it's preferences to what he/she likes.
I never had a complaint about this and only a few comments on this.
When you go through feed and speed tables, you will note that at 100% tool engagement, it is slower than at 50%. So with the option, anyone can do what he/she likes. If they want no override, they simply set it to 1.0.
There is no way I am going to remove the option.
What is the reason you do not do it if you do not like it ?
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04 Jul 2018 21:45 - 05 Jul 2018 01:00 #113444
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I am sorry if I wasn't clear. I would never suggest removing such a useful option. I am glad and impressed that it is there : )
"....The dynamic speed system in NativeCAM is pretty sophisticated..."
It was the default value being greater that 100% that worries me. People may run tools at the threshold/border of their maximum RPM.
It's not mine, but fly cutters like this worry my at over 100%, actually over 50% : )
BTW, thank you for NativeCAM. It's a great addition to LinuxCNC.
"....The dynamic speed system in NativeCAM is pretty sophisticated..."
It was the default value being greater that 100% that worries me. People may run tools at the threshold/border of their maximum RPM.
It's not mine, but fly cutters like this worry my at over 100%, actually over 50% : )
BTW, thank you for NativeCAM. It's a great addition to LinuxCNC.
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