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20 Mar 2017 21:35 #89970
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We have movement!
Yesterday wired provisionaly motors on the gantry, quick setup and a few measurements later ( it realy helps having a measuring tape on the gantry ), it does 48 meters per minute easily, it will do more but not with those BOB's as they are to damn slow, will have to remove them and wire directly to parallel port or mesa 6i25 or 7i92, have not decided yet. Z axis does 6.5 m/m so the 20 cm travel is done in under 2 seconds, gona be a quick probe for sure. Thinking about having a plasma torch on one Z and an acetylene burner on the other for thick plates.
Here is the video of it moving.....or running.
Yesterday wired provisionaly motors on the gantry, quick setup and a few measurements later ( it realy helps having a measuring tape on the gantry ), it does 48 meters per minute easily, it will do more but not with those BOB's as they are to damn slow, will have to remove them and wire directly to parallel port or mesa 6i25 or 7i92, have not decided yet. Z axis does 6.5 m/m so the 20 cm travel is done in under 2 seconds, gona be a quick probe for sure. Thinking about having a plasma torch on one Z and an acetylene burner on the other for thick plates.
Here is the video of it moving.....or running.
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22 Mar 2017 22:53 #90093
by BigJohnT
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Reminds me of the first video of my plasma moving down in the Beer Cave 9 years ago. Your looking good!
JT
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23 Mar 2017 00:14 #90095
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I wish (says he looking longingly at the pile of steel that still has to become a table....)
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Reminds me of the first video of my plasma moving
JT
I wish (says he looking longingly at the pile of steel that still has to become a table....)
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23 Mar 2017 01:31 #90098
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Tomorrow will be geting the 80X120 profiles for the frame, have to make the frame myself and that is a lot of heavy work. Decided to make it 3.7X2.2 meters work envelope, can not go biger as it will not fit in the workshop with all the stuff already there, even with that i will have to make a place for the Yamaha's outside.
Electronics are finished and configured except the Y axis, will be using 2 parallel ports as i need more inputs for limit switches, and some outputs for LED lights, not using 6i25 nor 7i92, have to use one for a lathe and the other for a mill.
Y axis will have rack and pinon on both sides with 2 motors, way to heavy to be using belts. Bad part > i have to make the reduction for them, time consuming and limited tools, i could not find anyone that will make them properly here.
More fun, for sure.
Any idea how the frame should look like ?
Thank you.
Electronics are finished and configured except the Y axis, will be using 2 parallel ports as i need more inputs for limit switches, and some outputs for LED lights, not using 6i25 nor 7i92, have to use one for a lathe and the other for a mill.
Y axis will have rack and pinon on both sides with 2 motors, way to heavy to be using belts. Bad part > i have to make the reduction for them, time consuming and limited tools, i could not find anyone that will make them properly here.
More fun, for sure.
Any idea how the frame should look like ?
Thank you.
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23 Mar 2017 09:00 #90105
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Tommy,
Might be a bit late for this build, but after making 1 reduction gear, I thought this was pretty good value and am using 2 of them to drive the gantry. It comes with the belt even though it is not shown in the listing. Designed for NEMA 34 motors.
www.ebay.com.au/itm/Gear-Box-Drive-Shaft...?hash=item3adc3f0f2b
You would have to use his matching rack as it is non standard (certainly not the published specs anyway).
As far as the table construction goes, there are guys that know a lot more than me so maybe I'm not the best example. My frame is made from 100 x 100 x 4mm Square section. I have 12mm thick laser cut mounting plates about 1800mm x 155mm for the rack and linear rails. These will mount to a 63 x 35mm RHS welded to the lower side of the table top 100mm side rails. My plan is to weld one of the RHS mounts in position and with the table upside down, mount up the linear rails and attach a couple of pieces of angle iron to the carriages and weld a piece of steel to connect the carriages on each side of the table This will let me position the second side exactly parallel to the first side and then stitch weld the second 65 x 35mm RHS in place while sliding the carriages along.
Sorry if I sound confusing, but it only became clear in my head while driving ot work one day earlier this week!
Might be a bit late for this build, but after making 1 reduction gear, I thought this was pretty good value and am using 2 of them to drive the gantry. It comes with the belt even though it is not shown in the listing. Designed for NEMA 34 motors.
www.ebay.com.au/itm/Gear-Box-Drive-Shaft...?hash=item3adc3f0f2b
You would have to use his matching rack as it is non standard (certainly not the published specs anyway).
As far as the table construction goes, there are guys that know a lot more than me so maybe I'm not the best example. My frame is made from 100 x 100 x 4mm Square section. I have 12mm thick laser cut mounting plates about 1800mm x 155mm for the rack and linear rails. These will mount to a 63 x 35mm RHS welded to the lower side of the table top 100mm side rails. My plan is to weld one of the RHS mounts in position and with the table upside down, mount up the linear rails and attach a couple of pieces of angle iron to the carriages and weld a piece of steel to connect the carriages on each side of the table This will let me position the second side exactly parallel to the first side and then stitch weld the second 65 x 35mm RHS in place while sliding the carriages along.
Sorry if I sound confusing, but it only became clear in my head while driving ot work one day earlier this week!
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23 Mar 2017 10:39 #90112
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Tommy, I put a better explanation and a couple of diagrams on my build thread here
forum.linuxcnc.org/show-your-stuff/32029...uild?start=110#90111
Hope it helps. I'm sure you can come up with a better idea after all the tables you've built.
forum.linuxcnc.org/show-your-stuff/32029...uild?start=110#90111
Hope it helps. I'm sure you can come up with a better idea after all the tables you've built.
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23 Mar 2017 10:46 #90113
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Those are nice reductions for sure, thank you.
I have to go check for the square tubing, i was told they are good quality ones, the usual ones here are bloody useless for machines as they are all crocked and cracked and very bad quality.
I asked for an idea on how should it look, as i do not want to make just a square box, but the size and weight limit a lot of options, most probably will end up with a square.
I have to go check for the square tubing, i was told they are good quality ones, the usual ones here are bloody useless for machines as they are all crocked and cracked and very bad quality.
I asked for an idea on how should it look, as i do not want to make just a square box, but the size and weight limit a lot of options, most probably will end up with a square.
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25 Mar 2017 00:06 - 25 Mar 2017 00:07 #90229
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I'd make the frame so the torch can reach all parts of the water table, in my case with 20 20 hind sight I would have extended the rails out the back about 6" so the torch could reach all inside areas. My torch is on the front side of the gantry. I did think of making it so I could slide longer pieces under the front so I can cut a 4' x 8' sheet with a 4' x 3' machine.
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25 Mar 2017 02:32 #90236
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Thank you JT.
I always make tables 20cm ( 8 inch) biger than the work envelope, and the frame 50cm ( 20 inches ).
Takes more space but much more comfortable. I also make the gantry the long axis ( usualy 2 meters travel ) so we can put a 6X2 meter plate on the machine and cut at 1 meter length ( usualy, most are 2.1X1.2 meter travel ).
This one will come at roughly 4.3X2.8 meters overall, but it looks like i will be mounting the electronic box on one side and the plasma on the other so over 5 meters.
Got the profiles yesterday so tomorrow will be cuting and welding a lot, and hopefuly on sunday painting. Somewhere inbetween i will have to get the other bike out ( the oldtimer got kicked out today ) and finish a 4.5 meter long rail/rack/pinion door for my driveway so i can kick that out too.
Oh c.... it's 3:32 AM here......sleep.
I always make tables 20cm ( 8 inch) biger than the work envelope, and the frame 50cm ( 20 inches ).
Takes more space but much more comfortable. I also make the gantry the long axis ( usualy 2 meters travel ) so we can put a 6X2 meter plate on the machine and cut at 1 meter length ( usualy, most are 2.1X1.2 meter travel ).
This one will come at roughly 4.3X2.8 meters overall, but it looks like i will be mounting the electronic box on one side and the plasma on the other so over 5 meters.
Got the profiles yesterday so tomorrow will be cuting and welding a lot, and hopefuly on sunday painting. Somewhere inbetween i will have to get the other bike out ( the oldtimer got kicked out today ) and finish a 4.5 meter long rail/rack/pinion door for my driveway so i can kick that out too.
Oh c.... it's 3:32 AM here......sleep.
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27 Mar 2017 21:40 #90398
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Saturday and today cut the profiles, cut some plates cut on a cnc plasma and welded to the ends of profiles, transported them to my worksbop so tomorrow will fave to drill some holes and tap them for M8 or M10 screws.
After that the fun of drilling and tapping some more holes for M6 screws to bold down HiWin HGR25 rails, get the rack and drill and tap that too, after i figure out the reduction and drive for them.
To heavy, when assembled and with everything on it will have around 450 Kg, without the work table. Only these parts today ( 2X 4200mm, 2X2800mm and 4X800mm ) are 250 Kg, gantry 100, add rails racks and motors.........oh well to damn heavy for a single person for sure, will have to ask for help.
Did not paint them, will do that after everything is tested and running, meaning i have to dismantle everything, weld and cnc cut more parts, and then paint.
Sounds boring i know but it has to be done.
Regards,
Tom
After that the fun of drilling and tapping some more holes for M6 screws to bold down HiWin HGR25 rails, get the rack and drill and tap that too, after i figure out the reduction and drive for them.
To heavy, when assembled and with everything on it will have around 450 Kg, without the work table. Only these parts today ( 2X 4200mm, 2X2800mm and 4X800mm ) are 250 Kg, gantry 100, add rails racks and motors.........oh well to damn heavy for a single person for sure, will have to ask for help.
Did not paint them, will do that after everything is tested and running, meaning i have to dismantle everything, weld and cnc cut more parts, and then paint.
Sounds boring i know but it has to be done.
Regards,
Tom
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