What Factors to Consider When Choosing a Pick and Place Machine?
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27 Aug 2024 15:34 - 06 Sep 2024 05:50 #308816
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This feels like a gateway to spam. But I’m going to allow it … for now.
EDIT: After more than one account was made from the same location, I decided this was spam, and deleted it.
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EDIT: After more than one account was made from the same location, I decided this was spam, and deleted it.
Last edit: 06 Sep 2024 05:50 by snowgoer540.
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29 Aug 2024 12:56 - 29 Aug 2024 13:00 #308930
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snowgoer540 yes it definitely raises an eyebrow.
To the original poster. if this isn't a gateway for spam, then I have two words for all your stated questions.
It Depends.
in MY opinion accuracy is far better then speed, that requirement only goes up when dealing with highly
dense circuit boards with very small components. Like say 0201 SMD sizes.
Do you want to place high pin count chips on the same run? Accuracy again is key. Having to realign
chips after going through the reflow is a major pain.
The key questions you would need to answer are -
Whats the smallest component you will be dealing with?
What's the maximum size PCB you are willing to deal with?
How much do you require the machine to do automatically?
Do you require the machine to place glue dots on the board?
Will you accept using a machine that requires an external air source?
Does the machine need to operate 24/7 365?
Do you require an entire assembly line with the PnP?
( solder screener, PnP, reflow oven, post reflow inspection, PCB cleaning)
This is all highly dependent on Your requirements. The more you want to happen automatically the more expensive
things get.
lastly, don't take it personally about the SPAM comment we get a ton of it on this site all the time.
To the original poster. if this isn't a gateway for spam, then I have two words for all your stated questions.
It Depends.
in MY opinion accuracy is far better then speed, that requirement only goes up when dealing with highly
dense circuit boards with very small components. Like say 0201 SMD sizes.
Do you want to place high pin count chips on the same run? Accuracy again is key. Having to realign
chips after going through the reflow is a major pain.
The key questions you would need to answer are -
Whats the smallest component you will be dealing with?
What's the maximum size PCB you are willing to deal with?
How much do you require the machine to do automatically?
Do you require the machine to place glue dots on the board?
Will you accept using a machine that requires an external air source?
Does the machine need to operate 24/7 365?
Do you require an entire assembly line with the PnP?
( solder screener, PnP, reflow oven, post reflow inspection, PCB cleaning)
This is all highly dependent on Your requirements. The more you want to happen automatically the more expensive
things get.
lastly, don't take it personally about the SPAM comment we get a ton of it on this site all the time.
Last edit: 29 Aug 2024 13:00 by my1987toyota. Reason: adding info
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09 Sep 2024 11:16 #309731
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Replied by my1987toyota on topic What Factors to Consider When Choosing a Pick and Place Machine?
Thanks snowgoer540 for leaving the rest of the post up so future people can at least see what should be
looked for ( in my opinion anyway ) when considering a PnP purchase or build
looked for ( in my opinion anyway ) when considering a PnP purchase or build
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06 Oct 2024 00:21 - 06 Oct 2024 00:22 #311378
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Replied by jmelson on topic What Factors to Consider When Choosing a Pick and Place Machine?
I have had two commercial P&P machines over the years. First I got a fully functional Philips CSM84 (made by Yamaha) in 2007. It came from an operational contract manufacturing line who was highly motivated to sell as he had new machines coming in 2 weeks. It was VERY easy to program, and the manuals were quite good. But, it used mechanical centering jaws and was not quite accurate for fine-pitch parts.
In 2020 I got a Quad QSA30A from an auction in Texas. This was made by Samsung, but fitted with Quad electronic feeders and Quad alignment cameras. It is a LOT more complicated to program, but works amazingly better! The manuals were TERRIBLE, but I got hooked up with the guy who did training at the factory, and he was a HUGE help!
Anyway, one of the biggest parameters to consider is the number of feeders a machine can hold. And, remember that feeders for wider tape will take up several slots on the feeder rails. Second is availability of, and durability of, nozzles. Cheap plastic nozzles will wear pretty fast or break when there is a mis-pick. My first machine did not have a nozzle changer, I really didn't know what I was missing!
My first machine had spring-powered mechanical feeders that were too weak to peel some cover tapes. Feeder jams were extremely frequent. I tended to put C-clamps on the empty tapes to provide more pull to help the tapes advance and peel.
The electronic feeders on the new machine have plenty of pull to keep those tapes working.
Another think to look at is error recovery. My old machine would just stop after a few mis-picks of one part, and wait for you to fix it. The new machine detects a few mispicks and marks that part as skipped, then when it gets to the end of the program, it beeps, waits for you to fix the issue, and you press start and it places all the skipped parts.
If you go for a used, commercial machine, make sure it is a commonly-made model, and parts will be available for some time. My new machine was made around 2000 but parts are still VERY easily available for it.
Jon
In 2020 I got a Quad QSA30A from an auction in Texas. This was made by Samsung, but fitted with Quad electronic feeders and Quad alignment cameras. It is a LOT more complicated to program, but works amazingly better! The manuals were TERRIBLE, but I got hooked up with the guy who did training at the factory, and he was a HUGE help!
Anyway, one of the biggest parameters to consider is the number of feeders a machine can hold. And, remember that feeders for wider tape will take up several slots on the feeder rails. Second is availability of, and durability of, nozzles. Cheap plastic nozzles will wear pretty fast or break when there is a mis-pick. My first machine did not have a nozzle changer, I really didn't know what I was missing!
My first machine had spring-powered mechanical feeders that were too weak to peel some cover tapes. Feeder jams were extremely frequent. I tended to put C-clamps on the empty tapes to provide more pull to help the tapes advance and peel.
The electronic feeders on the new machine have plenty of pull to keep those tapes working.
Another think to look at is error recovery. My old machine would just stop after a few mis-picks of one part, and wait for you to fix it. The new machine detects a few mispicks and marks that part as skipped, then when it gets to the end of the program, it beeps, waits for you to fix the issue, and you press start and it places all the skipped parts.
If you go for a used, commercial machine, make sure it is a commonly-made model, and parts will be available for some time. My new machine was made around 2000 but parts are still VERY easily available for it.
Jon
Last edit: 06 Oct 2024 00:22 by jmelson.
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