combining two feedback devices, rotary axis

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10 years 11 months ago - 10 years 11 months ago #65142 by johns00056
Replied by johns00056 on topic combining two feedback devices, rotary axis
I got this working now. the main problem was that I had pid.N.MAX_OUTPUT set to 1. When the output reached 1, the pid output went to zero, which stopped all movement. I fixed that by setting pid.N.MAX_OUTPUT to 0, which disabled that feature.


Summing the two pid's together did not do what I wanted so I ended up using the cascaded pid method ,as Andy suggested.

The axis does have some backlash. I measure about .010 inch backlash at 19 inches diameter , but only about .0005 inch at 4 inch diameter.
I think that most of the backlash comes from the "low backlash" Bayside planetary gear reducer.

I am very happy with the positioning accuracy. If I push the axis , with my hand, from one side of the backlash to the other , the motor will return it to the correct spot in about 1/2 second.

As a test I loosened the belts and shifted the position of the table , to simulate the belts slipping under load. When I cleared the following error and restarted the program , the axis went right back to the correct position within .001 inch.

I ran a test program for an hour which rotated a block of metal to a dial indicator , then away 270 degrees, repeated 500 times. The dial indicator showed no change in zero, although at certain speeds the axis would under shoot or overshoot a little bit. I had to add a 2 second dwell at zero to give it time to creep the programmed position.

(the axis has a brake to hold position during heavy cuts.)

I am homing to the home switch only and not using the encoder index.


################### 11/7/15 cascaded pid ###
# the position command goes first to pid.5 then to pid.3 and then to the servo drive
# this allows the friction wheel encoder to correct position errors caused by v-belt creep

net motor.04.pos-fb hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.encoder.05.position => pid.5.feedback => axis.3.motor-pos-fb # friction encoder, position only, to pid.5
#push copy back to Axis GUI
net motor.03.vel-fb hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.encoder.03.velocity => pid.3.feedback # velocity only , feedback to pid.3 (motor encoder)

net emcmot.03.pos-cmd axis.3.motor-pos-cmd => pid.5.command # command in to pid.5 for friction wheel encoder

net october1 pid.5.output => scale.3.in # scale component to make friction wheel encoder output the same scale as motor encoder output

net nov7 scale.3.out => pid.3.command # pid.3 for motor encoder

net nov71 pid.3.output => bldc.3.value # in to brushless D.C. component

net motor.03.current bldc.3.out => hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.8i20.1.1.current # command to motor servo drive

############ 11/11/15 pid settings #################
# pid.3 (motor encoder) ### pid.5 (friction wheel encoder)
# P 0.13 ################### P 2
# I .0001 ### ################ I 4
# D 0 ###################### D 0
# FF1 .003############# ###### FF1 0.6
Last edit: 10 years 11 months ago by johns00056.

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10 years 11 months ago #65143 by andypugh
Replied by andypugh on topic combining two feedback devices, rotary axis

johns00056 wrote: Summing the two pid's together did not do what I wanted so I ended up using the cascaded pid method ,as Andy suggested.


I am glad that worked. I had actually begun to wonder if you had had enough and given up when there was no reply for a few days. :-)

You may find that more I-term gets that last bit of error out quicker.

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10 years 11 months ago #65146 by johns00056
Replied by johns00056 on topic combining two feedback devices, rotary axis
Thanks for the help. I was pretty close to giving up, but I pushed on .

Next time I will think long and hard before trying an unconventional approach in a field where I am not an expert.

I am sure that I can get it tuned better, but I am going to run it as is for now.

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10 years 11 months ago #65147 by andypugh
Replied by andypugh on topic combining two feedback devices, rotary axis

johns00056 wrote: Next time I will think long and hard before trying an unconventional approach in a field where I am not an expert.


But now you are the World Expert, you realise?

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