BLDC with 8i20 and Fanuc Encoder
10 Aug 2018 14:43 #115863
by Dave3891
BLDC with 8i20 and Fanuc Encoder was created by Dave3891
Hi,
I have a 8i20 drive connected to a Fanuc motor with a a64 serial encoder connected to a 7i44 board.
I have communication with the absolute encoder working, but I my question is with what signals to use with BLDC
The HAL Fanuc encoder module has a .comm pin that outputs a 0-1 float signal 4 times per motor rotation. This is the phase position and should be used to drive the motor.
But I am not sure how to get the 0-1 signal in to the BLDC module and what config mode to use.
Any help would be appreciated.
I have a 8i20 drive connected to a Fanuc motor with a a64 serial encoder connected to a 7i44 board.
I have communication with the absolute encoder working, but I my question is with what signals to use with BLDC
The HAL Fanuc encoder module has a .comm pin that outputs a 0-1 float signal 4 times per motor rotation. This is the phase position and should be used to drive the motor.
But I am not sure how to get the 0-1 signal in to the BLDC module and what config mode to use.
Any help would be appreciated.
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16 Aug 2018 10:54 #116119
by andypugh
Replied by andypugh on topic BLDC with 8i20 and Fanuc Encoder
You probably don't even need bldc.
Try netting the 0-1 float pin directly to 8i20.0.angle
You should then find that the 8i20 runs the motor one way for positive current and the other way for negative.
If it doesn't then you can try swapping the motor wires around, one combination ought to work.
Only then is it worth putting the bldc comp in the chain, and all it is likely to do is insert an angular offset.
Snippets of my HAL where one motor has an aligned and correct pole-count resolver, and one motor doesn't. So one uses blddc and one doesn't
I think that your situation will look a lot more like my Z than my X
Note that I am using the hostmot2 "use_serial_numbers" option that identifies smart-serial devices by part of their serial number rather than by the socket they are plugged in to, so my pin names might look different to yours
Try netting the 0-1 float pin directly to 8i20.0.angle
You should then find that the 8i20 runs the motor one way for positive current and the other way for negative.
If it doesn't then you can try swapping the motor wires around, one combination ought to work.
Only then is it worth putting the bldc comp in the chain, and all it is likely to do is insert an angular offset.
Snippets of my HAL where one motor has an aligned and correct pole-count resolver, and one motor doesn't. So one uses blddc and one doesn't
net x-counts hm2_5i24.0.resolver.00.rawcounts => bldc.0.rawcounts
setp bldc.0.scale -16777216
setp bldc.0.poles 8
setp bldc.0.encoder-offset 1700000
net x-angle bldc.0.rotor-angle hm2_8i20.008d.angle
net x-output hm2_8i20.008d.current
...
net z-angle hm2_5i24.0.resolver.01.angle hm2_8i20.0003.angle
net z-output hm2_8i20.0003.currentI think that your situation will look a lot more like my Z than my X
Note that I am using the hostmot2 "use_serial_numbers" option that identifies smart-serial devices by part of their serial number rather than by the socket they are plugged in to, so my pin names might look different to yours
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16 Aug 2018 14:32 #116163
by Dave3891
Replied by Dave3891 on topic BLDC with 8i20 and Fanuc Encoder
I tried netting the comm pin to the angle before, but I didn't think about changing the motor wires.
But this still doesn't seem to work. Every wiring combo just make the motor have a slight hiss when running.
Here is the HAL file that I am trying to test the motor with
I have also tried playing around with the BLDC encoder offset / poles settings for a few days now and the best I have had is the motor vibrating.
I am really at a loss here on what to do to make this work, and I still have 5 more motors to connect to this system...
But this still doesn't seem to work. Every wiring combo just make the motor have a slight hiss when running.
Here is the HAL file that I am trying to test the motor with
loadrt threads name1=thread1 period1=1000000
loadrt hostmot2
loadrt hm2_eth board_ip="192.168.1.121" config="fanuc_chan_0=AA64 sserial_port_1=00000000"
addf hm2_7i80.0.read thread1
addf hm2_7i80.0.write thread1
net hm2_7i80.0.fanuc.00.encoder.comm => hm2_7i80.0.8i20.1.0.angle
setp hm2_7i80.0.8i20.1.0.current 5.0
startI have also tried playing around with the BLDC encoder offset / poles settings for a few days now and the best I have had is the motor vibrating.
I am really at a loss here on what to do to make this work, and I still have 5 more motors to connect to this system...
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16 Aug 2018 14:42 #116166
by PCW
Replied by PCW on topic BLDC with 8i20 and Fanuc Encoder
Does the motor angle change from 0 to 1 every 1/2 turn? (for 4 pole) or every 1/4 turn (for 8 pole)?
Is the 8I20 enable asserted?
I assume this is a typo since
net hm2_7i80.0.fanuc.00.encoder.comm => hm2_7i80.0.8i20.1.0.angle
is not a valid net statement
net mototcom0 hm2_7i80.0.fanuc.00.encoder.comm =>hm2_7i80.0.8i20.1.0.angle
or similar would be valid
Is the 8I20 enable asserted?
I assume this is a typo since
net hm2_7i80.0.fanuc.00.encoder.comm => hm2_7i80.0.8i20.1.0.angle
is not a valid net statement
net mototcom0 hm2_7i80.0.fanuc.00.encoder.comm =>hm2_7i80.0.8i20.1.0.angle
or similar would be valid
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16 Aug 2018 14:48 #116168
by andypugh
Replied by andypugh on topic BLDC with 8i20 and Fanuc Encoder
The 8i20 thinks that zero is the rotor position when the A / U phase is connected to +V and the B/C/V/W phases are connected to -V.
So initially I would suggest setting that up with a generic PSU or even a battery to get a reference. (this probably coincides with the keyway pointing to the face of the motor where the connectors are.
Then check that this (and all the other possible "zero" positions around the 4 poles) coincide with the encoder .comm output being zero.
You can then try using "setp" to alter the 8i20 phase angle to try to work out if the 8i20 and the encoder agree about direction.
When a motor like this won't spin it is generally a "disagreement" about direction such that the phase angle and rotor run towards each other rather than away.
So initially I would suggest setting that up with a generic PSU or even a battery to get a reference. (this probably coincides with the keyway pointing to the face of the motor where the connectors are.
Then check that this (and all the other possible "zero" positions around the 4 poles) coincide with the encoder .comm output being zero.
You can then try using "setp" to alter the 8i20 phase angle to try to work out if the 8i20 and the encoder agree about direction.
When a motor like this won't spin it is generally a "disagreement" about direction such that the phase angle and rotor run towards each other rather than away.
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16 Aug 2018 14:51 #116169
by andypugh
Actually, it _is_ a valid statement, but one that won't work (it creates a signal called net hm2_7i80.0.fanuc.00.encoder.comm)
Good spot, that might be the problem.
Replied by andypugh on topic BLDC with 8i20 and Fanuc Encoder
I assume this is a typo since
net hm2_7i80.0.fanuc.00.encoder.comm => hm2_7i80.0.8i20.1.0.angle
is not a valid net statement
Actually, it _is_ a valid statement, but one that won't work (it creates a signal called net hm2_7i80.0.fanuc.00.encoder.comm)
Good spot, that might be the problem.
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16 Aug 2018 15:04 - 16 Aug 2018 15:05 #116171
by PCW
Replied by PCW on topic BLDC with 8i20 and Fanuc Encoder
Its not valid if hm2_7i80.0.fanuc.00.encoder.comm is a pin name which I think was the intent
Actually I think it might be good to allow this type of connection in hal to reduce namespace clutter:
net pinX => pinY makes sense for anonymous signals (used in interconnecting components)
Actually I think it might be good to allow this type of connection in hal to reduce namespace clutter:
net pinX => pinY makes sense for anonymous signals (used in interconnecting components)
Last edit: 16 Aug 2018 15:05 by PCW.
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16 Aug 2018 15:08 #116173
by Dave3891
Replied by Dave3891 on topic BLDC with 8i20 and Fanuc Encoder
The motor changes 4 times per rotation, so 8 pole. Enable is asserted on the physical pins
Good catch on the typo, changed it and now the motor runs!
All this frustration and it was something so simple haha
Thank you for the help, it is much appreciated
Good catch on the typo, changed it and now the motor runs!
All this frustration and it was something so simple haha
Thank you for the help, it is much appreciated
Does the motor angle change from 0 to 1 every 1/2 turn? (for 4 pole) or every 1/4 turn (for 8 pole)?
Is the 8I20 enable asserted?
I assume this is a typo since
net hm2_7i80.0.fanuc.00.encoder.comm => hm2_7i80.0.8i20.1.0.angle
is not a valid net statement
net mototcom0 hm2_7i80.0.fanuc.00.encoder.comm =>hm2_7i80.0.8i20.1.0.angle
or similar would be valid
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