Kappa goniostat
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15 Jan 2025 16:24 #319036
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I have an old kappa-goniostat (crystallography) that should be disposed and it's breaking my heart. It has 3 rotational axis for the sample in middle of the goniometer and an additional rotation+translation axis where originally detector was mounted.
I had this crazy idea that one could use it to work on spheric shapes in the wood (think about Escher's "Angels and Devils").
Two main problems:
1) I'm newbie to linuxCNC
2) goniometer has a strange geometry. I've attached image how it works.
The object rotates in center of system with three axis omega, kappa and phi. The kappa-angle is 50° to base (or 130°).
I tried to read examples about 5-axis geometry but all of them describe systems with orthogonal axis.
Any suggestions on how I should start this project? I have no idea how to tackle kinematics.
And before I spend hours reverse engineering encoders on DC motors, I need to know whether it is actually possible with LinuxCNC.
all best, Kris
I had this crazy idea that one could use it to work on spheric shapes in the wood (think about Escher's "Angels and Devils").
Two main problems:
1) I'm newbie to linuxCNC
2) goniometer has a strange geometry. I've attached image how it works.
The object rotates in center of system with three axis omega, kappa and phi. The kappa-angle is 50° to base (or 130°).
I tried to read examples about 5-axis geometry but all of them describe systems with orthogonal axis.
Any suggestions on how I should start this project? I have no idea how to tackle kinematics.
And before I spend hours reverse engineering encoders on DC motors, I need to know whether it is actually possible with LinuxCNC.
all best, Kris
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15 Jan 2025 17:59 #319040
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Hm, interesting. It might be worth considering an issue that usually only pops up once the machine is finished which is: How are you going to create gcode for this?
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16 Jan 2025 10:22 #319107
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I see your point. I thought to use Autodesk CAM (Inventor or Fusion).
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16 Jan 2025 11:04 - 16 Jan 2025 11:09 #319108
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Just a question ? Do you have those softwares at hand?
You might end up with five axis requirements and then looking at a hefty monthly suscription
Just get a new detector and use it, for what it was for . But... did it come with some sort of x-ray light source?
mmmh. Any lead west in the box?
How about a 3d scanner? Woud at least be more close to original function.
You might end up with five axis requirements and then looking at a hefty monthly suscription
Just get a new detector and use it, for what it was for . But... did it come with some sort of x-ray light source?
mmmh. Any lead west in the box?
How about a 3d scanner? Woud at least be more close to original function.
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16 Jan 2025 14:10 #319123
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Shame on me -- I'm working at university -- non commercial use is free for us. At least it was free last time I checked.
The problem lies at the source. Spare parts can no longer be purchased from the manufacturer. Actually detector (alas slow) is still working. But the machine is at least 20-30 times slower than the new one. Cooling water, electricity and liquid nitrogen consumption are too high on this old equipment.
The problem lies at the source. Spare parts can no longer be purchased from the manufacturer. Actually detector (alas slow) is still working. But the machine is at least 20-30 times slower than the new one. Cooling water, electricity and liquid nitrogen consumption are too high on this old equipment.
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16 Jan 2025 15:59 #319129
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As I understand it there is one linear and four rotary axes which is not one of the traditional 5axis kinematics (ie 3 linear and 2 rotary).
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20 Jan 2025 09:37 #319447
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yepp, 4 rotary axis around center of the universe and one translation.
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