Quill Control
18 Sep 2013 05:06 - 18 Sep 2013 05:07 #38963
by BigJohnT
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18 Sep 2013 13:54 #38974
by ArcEye
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Hi
I too have a knee mill with a ballscrew quill.
The knee is manual and I just move the bed up and down to account for the size of the workpiece and roughly touch off to the cutter.
All the fine adjustment and cutter movement throughout the program is done via the Z axis ball screw and it is very accurate.
One method of retrofit I have seen (which is sometimes also used in purpose built machines built upon an existing manual one) is to mount the stepper and ballscrew on the side of the spindle head.
The quill is held in a heavy clamping plate, which is drawn up and down by the stepper actuated ballscrew.
Retrofitting using the existing gears acting on the rack gear cut into the back of the spindle tube was quite common for the RF40 RF30 type of manual mill, but was never very satisfactory because of the
inherant slop which was impossible to eliminate.
The biggest single difference I noticed when I moved from a RF40 manual mill to a CNC one with ballscrew Z axis, was an accuracy of depth of cut I could never previously achieve
regards
I too have a knee mill with a ballscrew quill.
The knee is manual and I just move the bed up and down to account for the size of the workpiece and roughly touch off to the cutter.
All the fine adjustment and cutter movement throughout the program is done via the Z axis ball screw and it is very accurate.
One method of retrofit I have seen (which is sometimes also used in purpose built machines built upon an existing manual one) is to mount the stepper and ballscrew on the side of the spindle head.
The quill is held in a heavy clamping plate, which is drawn up and down by the stepper actuated ballscrew.
Retrofitting using the existing gears acting on the rack gear cut into the back of the spindle tube was quite common for the RF40 RF30 type of manual mill, but was never very satisfactory because of the
inherant slop which was impossible to eliminate.
The biggest single difference I noticed when I moved from a RF40 manual mill to a CNC one with ballscrew Z axis, was an accuracy of depth of cut I could never previously achieve
regards
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20 Sep 2013 00:45 #39034
by jmelson
head here:
jelinux.pico-systems.com/zaxis.html
I got a ballscrew and mounted it as close to the front of the head as possible, to
minimize the moment arm of the link driving the quill up and down. I still get
.0015" of "backlash", which is actually flex of this link. This is a velocity servo
setup, so I have an encoder directly driven via helical-slit coupler from the
top of the ballscrew (red unit in pics) a dc tach driven by mini belt, and a
motor on the bottom driving the screw by belt.
I made this in 1997 or so.
Jon
Replied by jmelson on topic Quill Control
I have some pictures and text describing how I did my Z axis retrofit on my 1J BridgeportI'm working through a CNC conversion on a SuperMax manual knee mill. The control side of things is now mostly setup and I'm now working through the steel side. I have noticed that there are some companies which sell ball screw kits for the quill. I understand ball screws are a must for X and Y, but I'm lost on why these kits exist for quill control. It makes more sense to be to direct drive it or have a pulley setup. I feel like I'm missing part of the equation. What am I missing?
head here:
jelinux.pico-systems.com/zaxis.html
I got a ballscrew and mounted it as close to the front of the head as possible, to
minimize the moment arm of the link driving the quill up and down. I still get
.0015" of "backlash", which is actually flex of this link. This is a velocity servo
setup, so I have an encoder directly driven via helical-slit coupler from the
top of the ballscrew (red unit in pics) a dc tach driven by mini belt, and a
motor on the bottom driving the screw by belt.
I made this in 1997 or so.
Jon
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20 Sep 2013 05:29 #39047
by BigJohnT
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My Anilam is similar and suffers from the same kind of problems with backlash. Other than that it gets the job done.
Very nice work Jon.
JT
Very nice work Jon.
JT
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28 Nov 2015 10:14 #65925
by Skullworks
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I know I'm late to this party but if anyone else has this issue. Check out Elrod Machine in AZ. They make a complete Z axis bolt on assy for B-port type mills that is 1st rate. I made the trip down to Elrod Machine to check this option out for a company I was working for. Our machine had a Z axis issue and while apart several key parts were lost and the OEM no longer supported this machine. As it turns out the retrofit was never done as a machine dealer made a trade offer for a Bliss OBI press that our VP wanted for a project.
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28 Nov 2015 10:27 #65926
by ArcEye
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I think you are referring to this
www.elrodmachine.com/Z%20Axis%20CNC%20Quill%20kit.htm
Don't know what the price is, just powder coating is $155.
Here is one fitted to the worlds cleanest Bridgeport
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www.elrodmachine.com/Z%20Axis%20CNC%20Quill%20kit.htm
Don't know what the price is, just powder coating is $155.
Here is one fitted to the worlds cleanest Bridgeport
regards
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