Designing DIY CNC Milling Machine

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3 years 1 month ago #280734 by slawekgonet
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll consider that. The 'trough' for ballscrew had two goals:
- I wanted to avoid additional spacers between the rails and saddle not to amplify any play/bending any more than necessary.
- It actually makes protecting the ball screw from chips super easy with two slightly overlapping pieces of 1mm rubber in between which a connector block between Y and X drives (similar to what I had in my last build on X axis).

I might also add another set ot tensioning bolts on the other direction so there is *something* stopping the casting from breaking in half:
 

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3 years 1 month ago #280745 by spumco
Another thing to consider is that linear rails are not self-supporting.  i.e. they need to be fastened to precision flat surface to work properly.

If you cast a base and then try to grout the linear rails directly to the cast base, the rails will not be straight or flat and you'll wind up with binding issues.

Wide-series rails need a flat surface, but they don't require a straight edge on the mating surface.  Normal-width rails require both a flat surface as well as a precision edge to butt up against to establish (and maintain) rail straightness.

That's why I modeled machined steel plates on top of the cast surface.

Both HIWIN and THK have excellent brochures and technical guides available online.  Suggest you read them over, especially the sections on mounting linear rails and various configurations.

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3 years 1 month ago #280746 by slawekgonet
I was planning to use straight edge and some kind of epoxy to establish flat surface between on both rails, similarly to:


But first I am lurking for the straight edge, but seems like this is going to be very expensive, even second hand - especially for around 1000mm length that will be necessary for the X axis.

Do you have any ideas for different tools that are straight enough that might serve as a _stamp_ for shimming compound?
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3 years 1 month ago #280754 by spumco
Obviously dependent on local availability, but monument fabricators usually have granite-cutting and polishing equipment.  (cemetery tombstone/headstone makers)

They may be able to make you something locally from a chunk of granite they can't otherwise sell to a normal client.

I wouldn't expect them to be able to make a granite square or parallel with any real precision, but a 1m long rectangular chunk of granite with at least one flat surface shouldn't be too hard.

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3 years 1 month ago #280756 by slawekgonet
Yeah, I may try that.

One thing I found: firma-pro.com/en/poziomnica-pro900-heavy-duty-black-2xfrez-uchw

This is milled on both sides, maybe there is a chance it will be reasonably flat for the purpose of my project? What do you think?

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3 years 1 month ago #280762 by spumco
It may work, but I wouldn't trust it to remain flat over that distance for multiple uses over a period of time.

Box levels are made from aluminum extrusions, and extrusions have residual stresses from the manufacturing process.  Machining two parallel faces helps eliminate some of the compression forces remaining in the outer skin, but I'd be afraid of thermal movement while handling it or using it on a hot day vs. a cold evening.  Plus the fact that you may need some force to impress a flat surface in to some epoxy and the aluminum would flex more than a steel, cast iron, or granite device.

You are contemplating a significant investment in time and money building a CNC machine from scratch.  The project will likely take 2-3 times as much time & money as you think.  Whatever you think - double it.

Keeping that caution in mind... there are some places where you can save money and achieve something 'good enough.'  And there are other places where you will likely regret shortcuts.  Struggling to achieve reasonable flatness & perpendicularity or parallelism so your linear rails don't bind up would be high on my list of places to avoid problems.

Cheap ballscrews can be compensated.  Cheap(ish) linear rails can be managed.  Cheap steppers instead of servos.  Homemade electrical enclosure and used electronics...But an un-flat, un-square frame or base will be a nightmare to deal with later.

Have you considered fabricating something completely out of granite?  You mention that steel is expensive - whether in plate form or tubular/box sections.  There's a gent on YT who documented fabricating a rather nice CNC router exclusively (nearly) out of cut granite pieces.  He drilled and epoxied the sections together, and used the base pieces to establish a flat surface... everything else was referenced off that main section.

I can't post a link now, but do a search for "granite cnc" and you'll likely find the series I'm referring to.

If you can find a local monument fabricator you might find it's economical to work with them and come up with a design that doesn't require you to create quite as many precision surfaces or geometries from scratch.  Even better if you can get something fabricated from a scrapped headstone with a mis-spelled name on one side. image missing /media/kunena/emoticons/wink.png

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