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08 Oct 2013 02:12 #39621 by somenewguy
The g540 samples availble in when first started up are wrong. How should I export my working one and suggest it be included in future releases?

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08 Oct 2013 02:15 #39622 by cmorley
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Please explain what's wrong.

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09 Oct 2013 11:09 #39664 by somenewguy
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The micro stepping is incorrect, as well as a few pin assignments. I believe these settings are applied by the stepconf wizard, yes? THe layers of linuxCNC (what is an actual tool and what is a gui) are still confusing to me, although I do have a running machine now so I figure the next week or two I should know it quite well.

ish

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09 Oct 2013 11:25 #39665 by cmorley
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ahh yes stepconf has no pin assignment selection specifically for the G540 - is the G540 plugged directly into the parallel port?

and the micro stepping is always expected to be set by the user.

Oh wait - do you mean the sample configs or using stepconf to build a config?

Chris M

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09 Oct 2013 18:01 #39684 by BigJohnT
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There are two G540 sample configs that were created with the Stepconf Wizard. Did you use one of those? Can you be specific as to the parts that are wrong if you used those.

JT

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10 Oct 2013 01:38 #39709 by somenewguy
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between using stepconf, selecting template configs, and having my mach3 setttings transposed, and setting this up 3 seperate times Ican honestly say I am no longer sure. To be clear, I have linuxCNC working for me on my G540, I got it setup fine. However I want to make sure a new user has an easier time of getting up and running from a fresh install.

on a G540 microstepping is non-selectable, so there is no benifit to someone with a G540 not already being setup for the correct value when they choose a G540 based template. I may however be confused as to what drives the pre-sets in those boxes, so I will keep reading and digging as I can.

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10 Oct 2013 17:19 - 10 Oct 2013 22:48 #39728 by ArcEye
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Hi

I have never personally used G540s, they are American, which means expensive over here. They are also quirky, eg. requiring higher current charge pump enable (EPP mode) etc.

One of their quirks appears to be micro-stepping. This is notionally fixed at 10X.

This is the figure that you need to input into calculations, ie 2000 steps per revolution.

According to info I have found, the driver will change the microstepping at higher speeds to full steps.
This actually sounds all good, until you think about what it does.

At high speeds it will move one 1.8 deg step for every 10 pulses it receives, so the software still has to produce the same number of pulses to travel the same distance,
it is just that the driver moves the motor a greater distance at a time.
The advantage will be that the motor is moving a real segment between rotor / magnet attraction and not an artificial interpolated one, which can only be more accurate and easier to achieve.

The 'disadvantage' is that this does nothing to assist the contraints of software pulse generation.
Add in 4:1 gearing and you might be limiting max velocities quite a bit on slow base thread machines, without the option to drop micro-stepping to say 4x, which is normally the highest I use.

To free yourself of these contraints, you will need to look at hardware generated pulses, if velocity is important or being limited by base thread speed and excessive micro-stepping

regards
Last edit: 10 Oct 2013 22:48 by ArcEye.

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12 Oct 2013 03:25 #39786 by Rick G
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The advantage will be that the motor is moving a real segment between rotor / magnet attraction and not an artificial interpolated one, which can only be more accurate and easier to achieve.


I believe the goal here was also to have the greater torque of a full step vs a micro step at higher speeds where it may be needed.

Rick G

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12 Oct 2013 17:32 #39797 by BigJohnT
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In addition to more high speed torque the morphing point where the Gecko drive transition from 10 micro steps to full steps is adjustable so mid range harmonics are eliminated which makes the stepper run smooth through the mid range.

I personally would not use a G540 because of how much trouble they can be to get running. I prefer the individual drives like the G203v and G251 which don't suffer from the main board problems in the G540.

JT

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08 Nov 2013 07:27 #40649 by somenewguy
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So I spent a little too much time actually getting work done to contribute here, but I thought I would try and finish this before i forgot about it. I still don't konw where the wrong settings came from. I am going to run a liveCD to emulate a fresh install, and setup my machine and see where the problem comes from. I just looked at the config files from a latest pull from github and they seem right, so I don't know what overwrote them for me...

maybe not worth the effort.

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