Operating computers in the cold

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17 Jan 2025 15:25 #319187 by Krulli_Fräser
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Hello all,

I have fun with my converted milling machine and we are preparing to move it to its final place in the shop but now the computer is starting to act up.
The machine is standing in a workshop that is not heated or insulated. So the Computer (hp ProDesk Mini PC) is exposed to really low temperatures. Up until the start of this year it was never an issue but now the computer crashes shortly after booting and starting LCNC. I know this has to do with the cold because I moved the computer inside and after it warmed up I was able to run it just fine. After moving back to the shop it gave me about 20 minutes of work before crashing again. (Likely after cooling down enough) At some point while trying to boot and crashing the computer was beeping in a way that indicated a power supply issue.

The computer was exposed to 0°C (HP datasheet rates it to +10°C). I know the Mesa cards are allowed to handle 0°C but the computer seems to have taken some damage.

It was only a 100€ computer and I was able to save my configs so I'm not to sad if it has taken permament damage.

I have now bought a heating cable used with water pipes which gently heats the computer up with 64W of heating power and a thermostat but after a first test it only ran for 5 minutes.

TL;DR:
I have a computer that was affected by freezing temperatures (0°C)
now it won't run for long
I need a good solution (heating the shop unfortunately not an option)
Does anyone know Computers that handle the cold?
Any other experience?

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17 Jan 2025 15:45 #319188 by tommylight
Replied by tommylight on topic Operating computers in the cold
Computers do not care much about temperature on the low side, the used "Enterprise" ones i use are perfectly fine even at -5 C, yesterday all day long, not a single issue.
So if yours is having issues at 0, there is something failing inside, probably power supply as noted by beeps, and it will sooner or later fail even in hot environment.
I have several of those in shops with no heat around here, not just one, i am sure some worked even at -8C.
I am also sure some will fail to start at +5C, and always that is a sign of something failing, and as with everything some will work for many years and some will not.
Computers do care about moisture, and i have several dead from it every year.
TL:DR
CPU's do not care up to -70 or even much more
Capacitors do care a lot
Resistors do care a bit
etc...

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17 Jan 2025 17:01 #319193 by Krulli_Fräser
Replied by Krulli_Fräser on topic Operating computers in the cold
I can't rule out moisture.

However it's curios that the computer boots up fine but then crashes and once I take it inside it's running just fine.

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17 Jan 2025 17:46 #319195 by PCW
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I can't rule out moisture.

However it's curios that the computer boots up fine but then crashes and once I take it inside it's running just fine.
 

Frost melting when first turned can have this effect, Beware that too long operation with actual
liquid water from melted frost can cause permanent damage due to electrolytic corrosion.
 

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17 Jan 2025 18:01 - 17 Jan 2025 18:02 #319199 by Krulli_Fräser
Replied by Krulli_Fräser on topic Operating computers in the cold
Ok so are there computers that are not affected by water condensation?

Also am I advised to use a heater in the control cabinet where the mesa cards, VFD and servo drives live or are they inherently less prone to issues with cold or condensation.
 
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18 Jan 2025 01:15 #319240 by royka
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I have a monitor which used to have difficulties to turn on when it was cold, it turned on but then it kept flickering. This was because of bad capacitors in the power supply, after replacing these it always works immediately, even with minus temperatures

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