How do I do a manual tool change?

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4 years 11 months ago #226392 by cakeslob
If you are using your isolated vise as an automatic tool touchoff try using the sample config i mentioned and work from there.

I dont know what led you to the conclusion thats its just 2 lines to change, but im sure if it was that simple one of the many other users trying to do this would have changed it by now. If you do know which 2 lines need changing, please post them , and then this issue can be fixed.

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4 years 11 months ago - 4 years 11 months ago #226396 by d2inventory

"I have no idea why it was again rewritten somehow, despite that I have not touched any auto configurators like pncconf. You really think I am so dumb to just skip one step in documentation, and do that 3 times in a row?"


Yes indeed, I think this is how dumb you are. This fits exactly what I've seen from you so far. You call simple configuration "hardcore programming". You completely misevaluate the pricing of hardware. You have no idea what use cases were considered when writing the software yet talk like you're an expert. Again, the pattern is clear, you talk a whole lot of shit about stuff you have no idea about.

So this is how it most likely went down:
You fiddled with the stuff and you over wrote and then you most likely blamed someone for that (definitely not yourself). Then you went to the docu and you filled out the [RS274NGC] section again but you didn't click on the link like the first time and you didn't add the SUBROUTINE_PATH again because you already consider yourself a master of that section of the documentation so you went through it carelessly and indeed didn't do this extra step.
But again as you can't be blamed for anything "something else must have overwritten it". Nope, shit doesn't magically disappear buddy, take some fucking responsibility for once.

Nope, it is possibly less than two lines, all you need to do is stop disabling joging controls and let user overwrite Z0, that's how it is done in mach3/4 for decades, works easy and simple.


You know how I draw the Mona Lisa? I take a brush and a canvas and then I just draw the thing. It's literally so easy you should try it once.
Oh wait, there goes a whole lot more on there. You clearly have no clue at all what you're talking about. I mean you struggle with very simple configuration task why would you ever tell others how easy it is to implement something?
I mean you don't even understand that none of the code you would have to touch for that is linux specific, this is just another cheap arse excuse of yours to delfect responsibility. I have fiddled with the code and I know for a fact it's not just "hurr durr just add 2 lines of code". This stuff is a lot more complex than that. You think this is just a matter of a fucking button being enabled or not? Seriously mate ....

Not even gonna mention that gmoccapy GUI doesn't even let me monitor which code line is actually running at given moment


See, another example of you talking straight up bullshit. Here a quite recent video of gmoccapy in action where you clearly can see that the currently active line of code is highlighted.

the relevant portion of the video is @ 9 minutes 50 seconds



"Cant imagine how I would touch off the bottom of the stock later then"


You don't? You set your bed as 0 and that's it. This is exactly how I'm doing it. I planed my bed and set that as my 0. Now my machine always knows the bottom of the part and every tool is automatically measured after I manually changed it and uses the very same 0 point.
How can this very simple concept be so hard for you to understand?

So I know a thing and have a good understanding how good or bad open source software can be.


See, this is the main problem here. You have a giant ego and you can't handle that you've been shown that you're not quite as smart as you thought you are. You think you know shit, but in reality you have no fucking idea.
You do not get that this is not a question of enabling a user control and setting a variable. You do understand so little about it that you don't even know that the button you see and the machine control run in 2 entirely different processes. See buddy this software is a little more complex than "just set a variable to 0". Yes for your very simple workflow this might be the gold standard but guess what not everyone using this software wants to run a shitty workflow just because you can't handle a more complex and way more efficient one.
Jogging after your tool change to set a new 0 point is a crutch you got used to from an inferior software. It's not because it's the superior work flow but it's just the crippled hack you got used to and now you're throwing a tamper tantrum because you can't have your shitty hack back.
Tool touch off is incredibly easy to set up, it took me less than an hour when I first did it following the video you got linked and it's infinitely much easier. I too wanted to do it like you at first until I learned that this is a shitty way of doing things. Just like I wanted to rehome everytime I started a new program because I didn't understand work offsets. But unlike you I didn't blame everyone else, I realised that I still have to learn a lot about CNC in general and LinuxCNC in particular.

Just think about it, despite you being an arsehole to the docu writer the software dev the hardware dev you still get so much help. So have some self reflection and start acceptiong that YOU are the problem and not everyone and everything else. You are failing not the software not the docu not the hardware.
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4 years 11 months ago - 4 years 11 months ago #226397 by d2inventory
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4 years 11 months ago #226400 by cakeslob
Ah thats good, because I dont know whats going on as I have zero years experience programming as I am a tool and die maker.I also like making 3d printers, I got my first one at the world makerfair 2012 in newyork. But dont worry, a lot of linuxcnc is programed in c and python, so a windows background shouldnt matter. Its really more about why those 2 dead simple things are disabled. Check out some of stuff here linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/code/code-notes.html and here github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/tree/master/src/emc . But say you do change those 2 lines to make it joggable and and set a tool variable, what happens after that? Im just a simple toolmaker, but from what I understand, even if you could jog and set a tool variable, the gcode will not simply catch up to the variable at any given time once in automatic mode. I do not think you can pass variables after you have hit the auto button, and still have them take effect. Once the program is started, all those variables are calculated before hand using the tooltable/params and the programs fate is sealed until the machine comes out of auto and the program is re-interpreted with the new variables. So to pass any variables mid program, you will need to do things my feeble toolmakers brain cannot comprehend like coming out of auto or queue buster or maybe something to do with task.
There are many users using linuxcnc, and im sure your issue is not unique, so please exercise patience, read some of the many examples from other users online using google and in the documents/github , and understand that linuxcnc is not as much lowering standards as it is lowering expectations of everything being as simple as the less capable controller software. Other things are more like "paint by numbers" and linuxcnc is just a blank sketchbook.

About your vise and spoil board, that is good info to know, since these heights are not static. It is important to include all relevant information when asking for help because understanding the problem from your point of view is important to finding a solution. Considering setting up a static location for a toolsetting position that does not change from setup to setup. Im still rather unclear as to how you are trying to do this, but are you trying to change the g54 z offset or are you changing the tool height offset? Please be very clear on what exactly you are trying to accomplish in detail. Over generalized statements and opinions are unhelpful in the troubleshooting process and it is important to keep your topic specific to the issue you are trying to solve. Good luck with your project, my cnc is about to enter into the same phase with automatic manual toolchange offset.

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4 years 11 months ago #226401 by d2inventory
Quite amusing to see your double standards. When I hold a mirror in front of you and be the very same arsehole you are to the software dev the docu writer and the hardware dev suddenly you don't like it and you call it toxic. But when you do it? Then obviously it's all cool, right?

I mean if you have a different reference plane you have to touch of the intial tool every time anyway there is literally no way around that. Seriously you are just completely out of your league here...

You misunderstand the word "smart" apparently, as you think "smart" means that the person knows everything in the world.


And again you failed. Smart is recognizing patterns and clearly you fail hard in recognizing the very obvious pattern that you talk like an expert on a subject you haven't even gotten past the introduction course.

Every time I launched a config I obviously double checked that code wasnt overwritten


And because you're infallible it musta been some evil software that magically deleted that stuff and totally not your fault. Again, I gave you a very plausible sequence of events that produce the very output I saw in your configs, but ofc that couldn't have been the case because that would mean you fucked something up and as we all know you're infallible so that's definitely not what happened. Musta been the evil linux goblins that magically changed your config...

Sometimes is better to not jump in to not look like that annoying kid at school.


Self reflection buddy, you really need it. If you can identify me as "that annoying kid" rest assured that I am merely reflecting your own behaviour. Why do you think tommy linked to your previous arsehole behaviour?

you are one of those whose time costs nothing very obviously


Nope, I just don't take several days to set up something that only takes like 1 hour. So if you take the difference between those 2 you can see how I can have a lot of time to point out how it's you being the failure instead of all the other things you blame while at the same time holding a mirror in front of you in terms of "etiquette".

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4 years 11 months ago #226403 by MaHa

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