Help needed: Just one axis will work!?

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20 May 2013 18:00 #34424 by BigJohnT
When you jog the X axis with the + button on the Axis GUI (not the keyboard +) does the "tool" move to the right? On a typical mill the table will move left to make the "tool" move to the right.

JT

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21 May 2013 06:11 #34476 by andypugh

today I tried to "paint" the LinuxCNC typo test file on a paper. I changed in the G-Code Z from -3 to 0.

You mean you edited the G-code?
There should be no need to do that. You just need to tell LinuxCNC to call somewhere else "Z = 0".
You do this with the touch-off buttons (or you can do it in G-code)

2. Each time the machine is positioned from Z+3 to Z0 the position is not the same as before - it lookes lile the axis "moves" into the negativer

This could just be due to not touching-off to the work at the start. Or it could be something more worrying like missed steps.
If you open the MDI tab and type G53 G0 Z0 before and after running the program, then you can tell if it is a "relative coordinate" problem or a mechanical drift.
if G53 G0 Z0 always goes to the same place, then it isn't a mechanical problem.

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24 May 2013 02:05 #34609 by Alex_HH
Good evening,

many thanks for your support here. Today I found some time to solve the problem with the mirror-inverted LinuxCNC text.
But regarding the Z-axis problem I'm still not moved any mm.
What I observed is, that the tip of the inserted pencil (my tool ;-)) is getting lower with every Z0 move compared to the Z0 position it had before.
Is that make any sense?

Alexander

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24 May 2013 03:02 #34610 by BigJohnT
Sounds like your loosing steps.

www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/Stepper_Diagnostics.html

The settings you have for X and Y may be too high for Z due to extra weight of picking up the Z axis.

JT

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24 May 2013 15:09 #34631 by cncbasher

Good evening,

many thanks for your support here. Today I found some time to solve the problem with the mirror-inverted LinuxCNC text.
But regarding the Z-axis problem I'm still not moved any mm.
What I observed is, that the tip of the inserted pencil (my tool ;-)) is getting lower with every Z0 move compared to the Z0 position it had before.
Is that make any sense?

Alexander


this is a very common problem , it is mostly down to having your settings too high , or microstepping to high , or an under current rated power supply
reduce your speeds by 50% and try again . then move up in small steps untill the problem comes back , then reduce by 10% or so .

one point to remember , the higher the microstepping , the lower the torque the motor can handle , many people use microstepping to gain a higher resolution , this is not what microstepping is for
and end up with the problems you mention .

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24 May 2013 18:41 #34637 by andypugh

this is a very common problem , it is mostly down to having your settings too high , or microstepping to high , or an under current rated power supply
reduce your speeds by 50% and try again . then move up in small steps untill the problem comes back , then reduce by 10% or so .

Just in case it wasn't clear, you also probably want to experiment with lower accellerations too.

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25 May 2013 01:37 - 25 May 2013 01:41 #34650 by Alex_HH
Hello,

all your hints are very helpfull. Today I changed my following settings:
Step time: 5000ns
Step space: 5000ns
Dir hold: 20000
Dir setup: 20000
75% current
25% decay
1/2 step mode (Z axis), 1/16 (x,y axis)
max vel: 48.25 m/s
max acc: 762 mm/s2

into this:

Step time: 50000ns
Step space: 1000
Dir hold: 1000
Dir setup: 50000
75% current
25% deccay
1/2 step mode (z axis), 1/16 (x,y)
max vel: 25,4mm/s
max acc: 381mm/s2

With the new settings I plotted the LinuxCNC test lettering - I looks very good -z-axis is doing fine!

BTW: My system is made of: A HP Thin PC HSTNC-001L-TC, LinuxCNC 2.5. (Ubuntu an LinuxCNC are mounted on a USB stick), a 3-Axis blue board (TB6560), eShapeOko

Many thanks for your help.

Best regards
Alexander
Last edit: 25 May 2013 01:41 by Alex_HH.

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26 May 2013 05:08 #34702 by andypugh

Step time: 50000ns
Step space: 1000


Hang on, that's just silly. _nothing_ needs a 50,000 step time.
Try going back to 5000.

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26 May 2013 15:34 #34709 by cncbasher
your using a Chinese board , as Andy has said go back to
Step time: 5000ns
Step space: 5000ns
Dir hold: 20000
Dir setup: 20000

they are fine for that board ,

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27 May 2013 00:17 #34725 by Alex_HH
Hello gents,

unfortunately, I had been glad already too early. I tested the new configuration (the one I posted here) with my Dremel by milling into Roofmate material some lines in a defined depth.
I used two written G-Codes to mill six lines 5mm/2mm deep into the material.

Here are both codes for inspection:,
1. G-Code
G21 G90 G64 G40
G0 Z10.0
G0 X50 Y50
G1 F400.0 Z-5
G1 F400.0 Y100
G0 Z10.0
G0 X60 Y50
G1 F400.0 Z-5
G1 F400 Y100
G0 Z10.0
G0 X70 Y50
G1 F400.0 Z-5
G1 F400.0 Y100
G0 Z10.0
G0 X80 Y50
G1 F400.0 Z-5
G1 F400.0 Y100
G0 Z10.0
G0 X50 Y50
G1 F400.0 Z-5
G1 F400.0 X80
G0 Z10.0
G0 X50 Y100
G1 F400.0 Z-5
G1 F400.0 X80
G0 Z10.0
G0 X50 Y50
M30

2. G-Code
G21 G90 G64 G40
G0 Z10.0
G0 X100 Y50
G1 F100.0 Z-2
G1 F400.0 Y100
G0 Z10.0
G0 X110 Y50
G1 F100.0 Z-2
G1 F400 Y100
G0 Z10.0
G0 X120 Y50
G1 F100.0 Z-2
G1 F400.0 Y100
G0 Z10.0
G0 X130 Y50
G1 F100.0 Z-2
G1 F400.0 Y100
G0 Z10.0
G0 X100 Y50
G1 F100.0 Z-2
G1 F400.0 X130
G0 Z10.0
G0 X100 Y100
G1 F100.0 Z-2
G1 F400.0 X130
G0 Z10.0
G0 X100 Y50
M30

The results of milling the first G-Code is a change in the depth of lines.
The first line has a depth of 5,2mm
2. Line: 5,4mm
3. Line: 8mm
4. Line: 9mm
5. Line: 10,5mm
6. Line: 10,5mm

The results of the milling the 2. G-Code showed the following depth:
1. Line: 2,8mm
2. Line: 6mm
3. Line: 6,2mm
4. Line 6,3mm
5. Line: 6,3mm
6. Line: 6,2mm

What could be the reason for such change in Z axis during the processing of the G-Code?

I'm looking forward to your ideas and hints.

Many thanks.
Alexander

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