VFD calculation.
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27 Sep 2022 17:22 #252869
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(Besides, if the motor is correctly dimensioned for its task, it will simply not draw more current than it can handle in the first place. Well, unless it is ran at overvoltage or overspeed.)
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The VFD has to have at least the same power rating as the motor. Larger is okay. You then program the VFD with the motor parameters (max current, speed etc) so that the VFD does not overload the motor.For my surprise, it was 1.5KW Fuji motor and 3,7KW Fuji VFD.
This works since more than 10 years with millions of tool change.
I try to get some rules how to put motor and VFD together but i am now back on start line.
I don't understand why this system works. It must be somthing more as put motor and VFD power together.
First note to me, Source power and driver must be equal.
Open question, How to select motor and VDF power?
(Besides, if the motor is correctly dimensioned for its task, it will simply not draw more current than it can handle in the first place. Well, unless it is ran at overvoltage or overspeed.)
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27 Sep 2022 17:52 #252871
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Plenty of videos on the net where people try to explain that mess...
I have to side with Todd on this one, do not ask how and why regarding power in US.
I will be missing the good old three phase 220V/380V European stuff if i ever go to US, for sure, at 120 degree phase shift...
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As a US citizen that has yet to step foot in US, i will be having a talk or two with the engineers there as there is no way on earth to have 3 phases at 230V at the same time with 115V to neutral as that automatically implies a 180 degree shift between phases, and physics do not allow having 3 phases at 180 degree shift or two of them will end up being the same phase.Remember single phase is any time you are only using 2 legs of a 3 phase, or a single leg to neutral. (There is no such thing as 2 phase.)
So for example with normal low voltage AC (in the USA) you can have 4 wires (plus a ground), one is neutral, and 3 will be 115v to neutral, any pairing of the 3 hot wires will be 230v single phase, and all 3 together will be 230v 3 phase.
Plenty of videos on the net where people try to explain that mess...
I have to side with Todd on this one, do not ask how and why regarding power in US.

I will be missing the good old three phase 220V/380V European stuff if i ever go to US, for sure, at 120 degree phase shift...
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27 Sep 2022 19:12 #252879
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You caught me, I never can remember it all, numbers get jumbled around and reused in the wrong places without really thinking them through. I should have said 120/208v.
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27 Sep 2022 19:19 #252882
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There is a common 3-phase system in the US, called 120/208 Wye. This system provides 3 separate 120 V single-phase hots to ordinary office loads, plus a common neutral. Also, you have 208 V between any two hots. Most 240 V 3-phase motors will run OK on this 208V 3-phase power, but with slightly increased current. This system is commonly found in apartment buildings and offices.
Another system seen sometimes is center-grounded open delta, where one center-tapped residential transformer is combined with one 240 V transformer to provide center-neutral 120/240V power, plus a 3rd hot wire for true 240 V 3-phase power.
Another system I have run into in old buildings is corner-grounded open delta. There, two 240 v transformers are connected together to provide 240 V 3-phase power, but since one wire is grounded, there are only two "hots". This allows the use of two-pole breakers and a 2-phase breaker panel. I'm pretty sure there will be no new installations of this setup.
Jon
Another system seen sometimes is center-grounded open delta, where one center-tapped residential transformer is combined with one 240 V transformer to provide center-neutral 120/240V power, plus a 3rd hot wire for true 240 V 3-phase power.
Another system I have run into in old buildings is corner-grounded open delta. There, two 240 v transformers are connected together to provide 240 V 3-phase power, but since one wire is grounded, there are only two "hots". This allows the use of two-pole breakers and a 2-phase breaker panel. I'm pretty sure there will be no new installations of this setup.
Jon
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