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22 Mar 2025 17:07 #324568
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Is the neutral wired on the machine?
What connector is used at the wall?
Was that connector or the wall socket changed before the incident?
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Assuming using industrial 16A or 32A plugs, they can easily be miss wired by switching neutral and one of the phases, be it on the wall or on the machine plug.
When no neutral is used, usually not much happens, but when neutral is used that causes ... things to happen.
Mentioning this as it happens a lot where i live.
What connector is used at the wall?
Was that connector or the wall socket changed before the incident?
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Assuming using industrial 16A or 32A plugs, they can easily be miss wired by switching neutral and one of the phases, be it on the wall or on the machine plug.
When no neutral is used, usually not much happens, but when neutral is used that causes ... things to happen.
Mentioning this as it happens a lot where i live.
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22 Mar 2025 17:07 #324569
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With Q1 open, what do you have between L1,L2,and L3?
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22 Mar 2025 17:37 #324573
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It is a CEE 16A five pin. No changes on the wall, socket or cable. The MAHO has been working without wiring change from this socket for about 6 years.
Yes, neutral is wired in, but unused by the machine. Since the original Phillips PC used 110VAC generated by the 6T1, I wired the LinuxCNC PC and monitor into the same service.
Okay, this got weirder. I just went down to the machine, manually switched off 1Q1 (I misunderstood that as Q1), plugged in and switched the machine on (with Q1, the main power switch), and PC powered up normally. Switched Q1off, reset 1Q1 to on, switched the machine on again, and it again powered up the PC normally. measured 114VAC between pins 150/151. I could see from the Mesa LED's that the 24VDC rail 204 was also powered. I changed nothing other than waiting a couple of hours and plugging / unplugging the socket a couple of times.
Writing this, I just realised I need to open up that CEE plug on the machine cable, and see if I have a loose connection in there.
Yes, neutral is wired in, but unused by the machine. Since the original Phillips PC used 110VAC generated by the 6T1, I wired the LinuxCNC PC and monitor into the same service.
Okay, this got weirder. I just went down to the machine, manually switched off 1Q1 (I misunderstood that as Q1), plugged in and switched the machine on (with Q1, the main power switch), and PC powered up normally. Switched Q1off, reset 1Q1 to on, switched the machine on again, and it again powered up the PC normally. measured 114VAC between pins 150/151. I could see from the Mesa LED's that the 24VDC rail 204 was also powered. I changed nothing other than waiting a couple of hours and plugging / unplugging the socket a couple of times.
Writing this, I just realised I need to open up that CEE plug on the machine cable, and see if I have a loose connection in there.
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22 Mar 2025 18:56 - 22 Mar 2025 18:57 #324576
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I am a slow learner... yes, the plug was the problem....
One phase disconnected, but loosely held in contact by the wire. I cut off the old ferrule, reterminated it with a new ferrule and now the machine is getting all phases.
It is still not clear to me whether this 7i84 can be saved with replacement NCV7608s or whether it is trash.
I will order a 7i84u for the Maho, but if this 7i84 can be rescued, I would use it in the Schaublin, where I ran out of 24V outputs, and bodged switching chinese relay boards with 5V outputs.
One phase disconnected, but loosely held in contact by the wire. I cut off the old ferrule, reterminated it with a new ferrule and now the machine is getting all phases.
It is still not clear to me whether this 7i84 can be saved with replacement NCV7608s or whether it is trash.
I will order a 7i84u for the Maho, but if this 7i84 can be rescued, I would use it in the Schaublin, where I ran out of 24V outputs, and bodged switching chinese relay boards with 5V outputs.
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22 Mar 2025 22:16 #324588
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Since it powers on, try starting LinuxCNC, then try some inputs while checking the "show hal configuration" from the "machine" menu if the LED's toggle.
Chips can be found (i think PCW mentioned somewhere he has some, not sure they are the same though) and are pretty easy to solder on with a normal soldering iron, so give it a try.
Chips can be found (i think PCW mentioned somewhere he has some, not sure they are the same though) and are pretty easy to solder on with a normal soldering iron, so give it a try.
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22 Mar 2025 22:29 - 22 Mar 2025 22:45 #324594
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If you don't get the red fault light at startup,
(after removing the driver chips and with field power applied)
That likely means the 3.3V regulator and or DSPIC chip are toast.
(after removing the driver chips and with field power applied)
That likely means the 3.3V regulator and or DSPIC chip are toast.
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23 Mar 2025 10:28 #324637
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Thanks Peter, I didn't realise I was to connect field power for this test. I just did, and only get steady yellow lights on CR2 and CR8. No red fault light.
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23 Mar 2025 11:43 - 23 Mar 2025 11:56 #324651
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Red LED comes on for a very short period when powered on.
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To late, but just watched the video, so, i would have not removed the OK looking chip at all, it sure looks like something back powered one of the outputs on that chip as you mention on the video.
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To late, but just watched the video, so, i would have not removed the OK looking chip at all, it sure looks like something back powered one of the outputs on that chip as you mention on the video.
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23 Mar 2025 18:41 #324679
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I just tried it again, but there in not even a flicker from the red fault LED.
For posterity, here is the video of my issue...
For posterity, here is the video of my issue...
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24 Mar 2025 09:07 #324734
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I would recommend you start a new thread for your 400E conversion. If you ask your questions in an unrelated thread like this, or my long 400E conversion thread, the answers become very hard for others to find.@RotarySMP could I maybe ask you a few questions about your retrofit?
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