Rigid Tapping

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20 Mar 2012 15:14 #18666 by grandixximo
Rigid Tapping was created by grandixximo
I have a spindle with an encoder 1pps for round, i'd like to do a G33.1 Rigid Tapping...

I tried to connect the thing but it does not seems to work.

it think it gets stuck at waiting for a spindle index pulse, and i'm not sure how should i connect my encoder

linuxcnc.org/docs/html/examples_spindle.html

i see that there is code for a 100pulse encoder and 1 pulse index

If i just want to use only the 1 pulse how do i change the code, any help?

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20 Mar 2012 15:27 - 20 Mar 2012 15:30 #18668 by ArcEye
Replied by ArcEye on topic Re:Rigid Tapping
Hi

see linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/man/man9/encoder.9.html

setp encoder.0.position-scale [count]

where [count] is the number of pulses per unit ie 1 revolution

encoder.0.phase-z is index
encoder.0.phase-a is pulse

you can connect both to the same signal if you just have one pulse being used for both

regards
Last edit: 20 Mar 2012 15:30 by ArcEye.

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20 Mar 2012 16:33 #18669 by PCW
Replied by PCW on topic Re:Rigid Tapping
Rigid tapping requires Z tracking through reversals so you need A/B and perhaps index. (not sure if index is needed for rigid tapping)

With a 1 line = 4 count encoder (1/2 circle interrupter and 2 90 degree spaced sensors) A and Index can be the same so only 2 wires are used

I think its very very unlikely that rigid tapping would work with 1 PPR ) even 4 PPR may not do as Z tracking during the reversal is likely not going to be good enouigh

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20 Mar 2012 17:12 - 21 Mar 2012 00:37 #18671 by BigJohnT
Replied by BigJohnT on topic Re:Rigid Tapping
grandixximo wrote:

If i just want to use only the 1 pulse how do i change the code, any help?


I think Mack is the only one to claim that they can tap with 1ppr... or I might be wrong and not know it.

John
Last edit: 21 Mar 2012 00:37 by BigJohnT.

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20 Mar 2012 18:11 #18673 by ArcEye
Replied by ArcEye on topic Re:Rigid Tapping
PCW

I think its very very unlikely that rigid tapping would work with 1 PPR

JT

I think Mack is the only one to claim that they can tap with 1ppr..

Indeed, whilst my answer is factually correct I hope, I have no idea if what you proposed will work.

I once set up a lathe to thread with a single pulse, feeding Z and A. It cut threads, but extremely badly, to the extent that they usually fouled up after several passes and were unusable.

regards

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21 Mar 2012 05:13 #18682 by grandixximo
Replied by grandixximo on topic Re:Rigid Tapping
I got it to work with a single pps encoder connected to z and a

only problem i cannot do rigid tapping because i cannot count in reverse since this encoder is only one direction

i think i need A and B as PCW stated, and i'm going to put them...

I was just curios to know if there was a way to use the spindle reverse output to reverse the encoder count direction also, any ideas???

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21 Mar 2012 15:38 - 21 Mar 2012 15:40 #18688 by PCW
Replied by PCW on topic Re:Rigid Tapping
It cannot be reliable because the timing of the physical reversal is not known so there is the possibility of miscounts (pretty serious with 1 PPR!). I suppose some smart tracking hueristics could be used to interpolate better with 1 PPR but quadrature and more counts is a much better solution

If you want to try a minimal quadrature encoder, the 1/2 circle one might be a good choice (since it only needs 2 wires A/INDEX and B )

This is 4 PPR so 4 times more accurate with a very good velocity mode drive and 16 times more accurate with a torque mode drive!
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