LinuxCNC vs Commercial

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11 years 7 months ago - 11 years 7 months ago #57168 by DuNuNuBatman
Replied by DuNuNuBatman on topic LinuxCNC vs Commercial
Thanks for the responses, sorry I haven't responded sooner. Life be crazy...

It would perform very similarly. It is possible that the commercial control might be slightly better optimised for wood routing.


Good enough for me. There really aren't a lot of software based options in this space. I'm just looking at this to see if this is something I can build off of. The software based option appeals to me the most because I can do things like integrate with my project system, create a labeling system, and possibly use it for other things such as material handling. My imagination is outpacing my current abilities, but I think I can get there. Just have to work on my maths...

No, LinuxCNC _is_ a motion controller.


Cool. I thought as much, but wasn't sure. It is compared to Mach 3, but I don't think they are on the same level at all. I can't figure how Mach 3 could act as a realtime controller on Windows. I don't know if they have their own kernel mode driver and that's why it required a parallel port.

You might want to consider buying such an item of orphan hardware and installing LinuxCNC on it.


This is definitely an option as well. I've been looking at used hardware based off of what Todd Zuercher wrote and I can see this as a definite possibility. Old hardware is usually made to last.

What machines are you looking at in the $125,000 price range?


Nothing from Laguna. I was looking at machines from Thermwood or C.R. Onsrud. I don't have pricing information from them, so the $125,000 was more of an upper bounds guestimate on my part. Something like this is interesting:

Personally, I am a big fan of buying a better quality higher end used machine for the same price as a lower end new one for the same price.


I agree. Our edgebander is a used holzher machine and the only real difference between the newer ones of the same caliber is you can modify settings at the panel instead of getting behind it.

As to your basic question as to if Linuxcnc is as good as a commercial control. It all depends, on A.) what your compairing it to, and B.) The quality of the Linuxcnc install. (such as how well you integrate safety features, and other things like tool changer implementation...)


I'm mainly looking to see if LinuxCNC would ever be the bottleneck in development and maintenance on the machine. This is a pretty interesting project for me, but in the end, if the machine is down a significant amount of time or required endless tweaking, it probably isn't an option.
A: I mentioned Laguna because looking at what they offer I think I can produce something at least on par with what they are.
B: This is probably something I would play around with quite a bit before jumping in and purchasing everthing I would need. I think I will be doing a lot of planning and asking a lot more questions here before I move forward and begin the build.
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11 years 7 months ago - 11 years 7 months ago #57173 by Todd Zuercher
While I have no personal experience with either Thermwoods or CR Onsrud machines. They both seem do make decently solid hardware, in the upper mid-range price wise. The CR Onsrud Panel-Pro in your video link is very comparable to the Omni Tech machines we have.

I've not heard any bad things about Thermwoods, but in the past I steered away from them because of their proprietary control system. Knowing more about CNC now than I did then it would be less of a factor for me.

I have heard some bad things about CR Onsrud's service quality. And service should be an important factor in choosing a new machine. They fairly recently changed their controls, and older models of their machines may be very limited in the technical support available for them (or so I've heard). However due to these problems some very nice looking used CR Onsrude machines pop up on the used market regularly for very reasonable prices, some of which may be perfect candidates for a Linuscnc retrofit.
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11 years 6 months ago #57625 by DaBit
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Regarding DIY: it it very well posiible to build a quality machine from the ground up. But that's not going to be cheap either if you use new components.
And a CNC router looks like a simple machine (three linear axes under 90-degree angle and a spindle motor, how hard can it be?), but looks are deceptive. It took me a year to construct my machine from the ground up. True, evening hours only, family needing time, blahblah, but I still have a LOT of time invested.

Bottom line: you should only consider a full DIY build if you enjoy the process of building a machine.

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11 years 6 months ago #57638 by DuNuNuBatman
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Yeah, probably not for this one. I'm probably going with Todd's recommendation of starting with an older used machine and possibly updating the controls if necessary. I'll look at doing a build once I'm more familiar with it and already have something in place.

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11 years 6 months ago #57887 by wizard69
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DuNuNuBatman wrote: Yeah, probably not for this one. I'm probably going with Todd's recommendation of starting with an older used machine and possibly updating the controls if necessary. I'll look at doing a build once I'm more familiar with it and already have something in place.


Updating the controls can be a major undertaking if you haven't done this before. If your shop needs to be OSHA compliant then you need to come up to speed as far at the latest safety requirements. Even if it isn't a shop under OSHA oversight you still want to consider building the controls in a way that is compliant. Dust removal is another big factor in safety and something that justifies an enclosed machine to help contain dust and swarf.

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11 years 6 months ago #57895 by Todd Zuercher

wizard69 wrote:

DuNuNuBatman wrote: Yeah, probably not for this one. I'm probably going with Todd's recommendation of starting with an older used machine and possibly updating the controls if necessary. I'll look at doing a build once I'm more familiar with it and already have something in place.


Updating the controls can be a major undertaking if you haven't done this before. If your shop needs to be OSHA compliant then you need to come up to speed as far at the latest safety requirements. Even if it isn't a shop under OSHA oversight you still want to consider building the controls in a way that is compliant. Dust removal is another big factor in safety and something that justifies an enclosed machine to help contain dust and swarf.


It's still orders of magnitude easier than starting from scratch.

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