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01 Mar 2017 12:24 #88802
by Nondepietjes
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Hi,
I have a litle question about getting the right movement on my lathe.
When i'm asking to move my axis 1mm, the axis moves 3 to 6 times more than that.
My DRO say's i'm at 1 mm but when i'm measureing it, its not the case.
whatever i'm doing and trying, nothing helps. i'm out of options and i don't know what to do.
I'm working with 2 servo's belt driven and a 5i25 and 7i777 mesa card.
Please i nead some help
Thanks in advance
OUTPUT_MIN LIMIT = 30
OUTPUT_MAX_LIM = -30
OUTPUT_SCALE = 30
MAX_OUTPUT = 9V at 2000rpm
I have a litle question about getting the right movement on my lathe.
When i'm asking to move my axis 1mm, the axis moves 3 to 6 times more than that.
My DRO say's i'm at 1 mm but when i'm measureing it, its not the case.
whatever i'm doing and trying, nothing helps. i'm out of options and i don't know what to do.
I'm working with 2 servo's belt driven and a 5i25 and 7i777 mesa card.
Please i nead some help
Thanks in advance
OUTPUT_MIN LIMIT = 30
OUTPUT_MAX_LIM = -30
OUTPUT_SCALE = 30
MAX_OUTPUT = 9V at 2000rpm
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01 Mar 2017 14:38 #88815
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Replied by Todd Zuercher on topic Scaling of axis
I believe that you need to make changes to
ENCODER_SCALE = ???
to fix your scaling problem. (The output scale has nothing to do with it.)
But you should not need to be guessing this number. It should be easily calculated if you know your encoder counts/rev and screw pitch and any reduction (from belts or gears).
ENCODER_SCALE = ???
to fix your scaling problem. (The output scale has nothing to do with it.)
But you should not need to be guessing this number. It should be easily calculated if you know your encoder counts/rev and screw pitch and any reduction (from belts or gears).
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02 Mar 2017 07:16 #88860
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Hi,
Thanks for the reply.
I know the count /rev, there is a reduction but i don't know the reduction because i can't see al the gears.
But when i'm pressing the buttons 1mm on the AXIS program, my DRO says 1mm but m machine move always more.
regardles of my encoder scale because if i change that only the number on the DRO changes and not my movement of the machine.
kind regard koen
Thanks for the reply.
I know the count /rev, there is a reduction but i don't know the reduction because i can't see al the gears.
But when i'm pressing the buttons 1mm on the AXIS program, my DRO says 1mm but m machine move always more.
regardles of my encoder scale because if i change that only the number on the DRO changes and not my movement of the machine.
kind regard koen
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02 Mar 2017 08:30 #88861
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Replied by rodw on topic Scaling of axis
I had a similar problem recently because the rack and pinion has some non standard module size. I was not using an encoder though. What I did was lay a 1 metre steel rule beside the linear rail and measure the error over a gcode 1m long movement. Then I adjusted the steps per mm (or steps per inch) up or down by that percentage and try again. After a number of iterations of this I was pretty happy with the result so I then ran some Gcode that ran up and down the axis 20 times (20 metres) using relative coordinates. I set a dial indicator up at one end as shown here
It worked out well within the required accuracy..... as the video shows.
It worked out well within the required accuracy..... as the video shows.
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02 Mar 2017 12:28 #88868
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hi,
I'm working with servo's. And i set my encoder scale on the right amount. But the porblem is for example when i ask the machine to move 8mm, it moves mutch more than that. so i reset my encoder but the position it moves still stays the same.
PS:i'm sorry for my english.
I'm working with servo's. And i set my encoder scale on the right amount. But the porblem is for example when i ask the machine to move 8mm, it moves mutch more than that. so i reset my encoder but the position it moves still stays the same.
PS:i'm sorry for my english.
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02 Mar 2017 14:52 - 02 Mar 2017 14:54 #88878
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Ok, lets start with the basics.
What is your encoder counts per revolution? Is that the line count or quadrature count?
What is your screw pitch (distance traveled/turn of the screw)?
Is the encoder mounted on the motor or on the screw?
What is the gear reduction (if any) between the motor and the screw? In other words how many times must the motor turn in order to turn the screw one full revolution?
Where were you "setting" the encoder scale?
If you post a copy of the ini file in your config directory, we can help point out where this needs changed.
What is your encoder counts per revolution? Is that the line count or quadrature count?
What is your screw pitch (distance traveled/turn of the screw)?
Is the encoder mounted on the motor or on the screw?
What is the gear reduction (if any) between the motor and the screw? In other words how many times must the motor turn in order to turn the screw one full revolution?
Where were you "setting" the encoder scale?
If you post a copy of the ini file in your config directory, we can help point out where this needs changed.
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02 Mar 2017 17:15 - 02 Mar 2017 17:17 #88890
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The encoder count per rev is 2500. The rotary encoder is a ROD426 A2500.
the encoder from the z-axis is mounted on the screw and the encoder from the y-axis is a lineair encoder.
All the other things are unknown because it's a second hand machine with an old stearing.
and the company that bought the machine has non of this information. Al the components are verry hard to reach or not visibal. I think as far i can see the pitch of the screw is 5 mm.
I will upload a copy af the ini. file tommorow.
it's a verry difficuld job
kind regards
the encoder from the z-axis is mounted on the screw and the encoder from the y-axis is a lineair encoder.
All the other things are unknown because it's a second hand machine with an old stearing.
and the company that bought the machine has non of this information. Al the components are verry hard to reach or not visibal. I think as far i can see the pitch of the screw is 5 mm.
I will upload a copy af the ini. file tommorow.
it's a verry difficuld job
kind regards
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02 Mar 2017 17:56 #88892
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That would be a line count of 2500, so the quadrature count will be 10000/rev. for the rotary encoder.
If the Z has that encoder mounted directly on a 5mm pitch screw. Then the encoder scale for AXIS_2 (or JOINT_2 in Master) should be 2000 for a mm configured machine (or 50800 for inches)
If your Y axis is using a linear encoder then the encoder scale will just be equal to the quadrature count of your linear scale for 1 unit of measure (or the inverse of the resolution of the linear scale if you know what that is.) If you don't know the specs of the linear scale you will probably need to measure and calculate it. It will likely be a factor of 10 (or even 40) if you guess the base units corrrectly.
What about your X axis you didn't mention it?
If the Z has that encoder mounted directly on a 5mm pitch screw. Then the encoder scale for AXIS_2 (or JOINT_2 in Master) should be 2000 for a mm configured machine (or 50800 for inches)
If your Y axis is using a linear encoder then the encoder scale will just be equal to the quadrature count of your linear scale for 1 unit of measure (or the inverse of the resolution of the linear scale if you know what that is.) If you don't know the specs of the linear scale you will probably need to measure and calculate it. It will likely be a factor of 10 (or even 40) if you guess the base units corrrectly.
What about your X axis you didn't mention it?
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03 Mar 2017 07:21 - 03 Mar 2017 12:11 #88917
by Nondepietjes
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Hi,
I thought i mentiont it but it's a lathe. i'm sorry!!
My linear encoder is a LS 703 from heidenhein. 700mm long.
I'm using TDM 1 indramat drives and 9v is 2000 rpm
Here is alsow my INI.file.
I thought i mentiont it but it's a lathe. i'm sorry!!
My linear encoder is a LS 703 from heidenhein. 700mm long.
I'm using TDM 1 indramat drives and 9v is 2000 rpm
Here is alsow my INI.file.
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03 Mar 2017 14:44 - 03 Mar 2017 14:45 #88928
by Todd Zuercher
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I don't know much of anything about those Linear scales, and a quick Google search isn't telling me anything. I have seen a lot of people talk about Heidenhein scales, saying that they output an analog sine-wave signal and they have to be used with some sort of conversion box that into an incremental encoder signal. But I have no idea if that is the case with that one, or what it's resolution is or would be after interpolation. (It mght be 20um plus another 5X or 10X from interpolation.) I would think some experimentation should easily tell.
The important bits are here in your ini file
The important bits are here in your ini file
#********************
# Axis X
#********************
[AXIS_0]
TYPE = LINEAR
HOME = 0.0
FERROR = 150
MIN_FERROR = 150
MAX_VELOCITY = 33.33333333
MAX_ACCELERATION = 10
P = 10
I = 0
D = 0
FF0 = 0.0
FF1 = 0
FF2 = 0.0
BIAS = 0.0
DEADBAND = 0.0
MAX_OUTPUT = 8
ENCODER_SCALE = 5000 #Change this to match the linear scale resolution
OUTPUT_SCALE = 0.6
OUTPUT_MIN_LIMIT = -9
OUTPUT_MAX_LIMIT = 10009
MIN_LIMIT = -500
MAX_LIMIT = 500
HOME_OFFSET = 0.000000
HOME_SEARCH_VEL = -1.000000
HOME_LATCH_VEL = -0.500000
HOME_FINAL_VEL = 0.000000
HOME_USE_INDEX = NO
HOME_SEQUENCE = 0
HOME_IGNORE_LIMIT = NO
#********************
# Axis Z
#********************
[AXIS_2]
TYPE = LINEAR
HOME = 0.0
FERROR = 2
MIN_FERROR = 1.5
MAX_VELOCITY = 33.333333
MAX_ACCELERATION = 20
P = 5
I = 0.0
D = 0.0
FF0 = 0.0
FF1 = 0.01
FF2 = 0.0
BIAS = 0.0
DEADBAND = 0.00001
MAX_OUTPUT = 0
ENCODER_SCALE = 500 #Change this to 2000
OUTPUT_SCALE = 10
OUTPUT_MIN_LIMIT = -10
OUTPUT_MAX_LIMIT = 10
MIN_LIMIT = -1000.0
MAX_LIMIT = 1000
HOME_OFFSET = 0.000000
HOME_SEARCH_VEL = 1.000000
HOME_LATCH_VEL = 0.500000
HOME_FINAL_VEL = 0.000000
HOME_USE_INDEX = NO
HOME_SEQUENCE = 1
Last edit: 03 Mar 2017 14:45 by Todd Zuercher.
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