Slaving axis (rotating nut, 2 steppers for Y-axis)

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9 years 5 months ago - 9 years 5 months ago #92936 by Clive S

This is the rotating nut system from Jonathan (Post #74) : www.mycncuk.com/threads/3340-Rotating-Ba...t-design-ideas/page8 I want to build the exact same one.

If I am not mistaken Jonathan did have a few for sale either complete or in parts.
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9 years 5 months ago - 9 years 5 months ago #92940 by denhen89
Todd, that was extremly helpful and thanks for the calculation. I should do it by my self, but i want be honest, even its very important to make some calculations while planning and buying parts, i want to go the easy way and look what others have build and copy it a little bit, because i just have too many things to think about. In future i will have more experience and can do some upgrades on the machine. I hope you guys understand it. I am already reading and planning since over 3 month, but this i want to start to weld the frame.

Good news for me are, that my cousins husband will make the 2 pieces for me. He said its not a problem, and he had also some small, but good ideas how to make it a little bit "better".

Now i am struggling if i should use the 2505 or 2010. The Ball screws i want to buy are from VTX (vertex precision - japanese company), but unfortunately i cant find any review about the ball screws, but the seller (famous shop here in Poland) said that they an very good alternative and i dont pay for the "make" like for the Hiwin ball screws/nuts. The price difference between the VTX 2505 and VTX 2510 for both 3000mm screws will be together only 50€, but the difference between 2510 VTX and 2510 HIWIN for both screws is about 250 €, just for 2 x 3000mm screws + nuts.
So i can invest the money in some good drivers - can you recommend me some for nema 23, 4 - 4,5Nm steppers? I am not sure if i should use digital (with stall detection) or analog drivers.

I think i decide later on which screw i take, but could someone recommend an good ratio for 2505 and 2510 for the rotating nut ?

@Clive S: Yes, that is true, but thank you for the info!
I am in contact with Jonathan (helpful guy). He made me an offer, and i really dont want say it was expensive, because his price was almost the half of the price from one german website, but i made some calculations and i will get it done much cheaper and no shipping costs from UK. Dont know the costs for the work right now, but because its my cousins husband who will do that for me, i dont believe that i will cost much and i will just bring him all the parts and some drawings.
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9 years 5 months ago #92942 by Todd Zuercher
No eBay APP ID and/or Cert ID defined in Kunena configuration4-4.5Nm is pretty strong for a stepper motor. You may have trouble finding a NEMA 23 motor that strong. And even then you are only talking about holding torque (their torque when not moving). The torque drops off quickly with speed.

I've heard good things about the closed loop steppers from Leadshine. Here is a 4Nm one, but it is NEMA 34.


The next refit I do of an old stepper machine, I will probably try to use some of those, but I have not used one yet.

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9 years 5 months ago - 9 years 5 months ago #92949 by denhen89
You are right, i found only one 4nm stepper as nema23 (4wires) in the shop where i want to buy the ball screws etc.

...Now you gave me again the idea to use the closed loop steppers from leadshine... I checked the prices at aliexpress: 150€ per kit + delivery costs. (stepper + driver + wires). Wrote an mail to them and asked for the total costs include shipping for 4 kits, but i think it will cost me about 250 € more than i would pay for standard steppers + drivers drivers. Have to think about it, but somewhere i read that its an good combo to use closed loop/servos when using 2 motors per axis. Maybe i should go for it, but lets see how much the total price will be + duty costs.

Just worrying if the setup is more difficult.
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9 years 5 months ago #92956 by tommylight
I did not suggest using axial bearings, i had them and used them for that test. It is much beter to use deep grove angular bearings as in the link you posted, and that is how it should be done. Mine was just a quick and dirty test to see the diference.
Todd is right, at the speed i was going there was not much torque left and that was with 2NM motors at 80V with extreemly nice stepper drives, with no load at all, just the nut and motor assembly.
Also as Todd suggested, if you do not intend to go over 10m/m, 2505 should do just fine and have more force while cutting at lower speeds.

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9 years 5 months ago #92962 by Todd Zuercher
4-5Nm is in that "grey-zone" where servos start to look better than steppers, but both can do the job.

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