Ohmic probe wiring diagram

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17 Apr 2021 10:05 #206168 by radek_marko
Hi,

I'm preparing hardware for the ohmic probe for my plasma machine and I have found that this wiring diagram:
linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/plasma/plas...r.html#ohmic-sensing
linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/plasma/imag...er_ohmic-sensing.png

I think markings on this diagram are slightly misleading. I'm attaching a diagram that I have prepared. The marking A1 / A2 are usually for the coil side of the relay. Pins 11 / 14 are usually for NO (Normally Open) and COM (COMmon).

Also, coils for probe enabled were connected in series, I think if two relays are used they should be in parallel.

In my system, I have used a single dual-channel relay to enable/disable the probe.

Modifed diagram:


My scrible notes and photos of my unit:
Attachments:
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17 Apr 2021 10:55 - 17 Apr 2021 10:56 #206172 by rodw
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I do agree with the relays should be in parallel.

Note that the original circuit was contributed by theislander261 (John) and specified the use of opto isolated relays for additional protection (he used an opto22 module) Note point 4 in the primer.
Both sides of the circuit needs to be isolated by opto-isolated relays until probing is being undertaken
Using Opto isolated relays is to provide an additional level of protection as if something goes wrong the torch voltage could jump mechanical relay contacts...
Whilst the temptation is to use a single dual channel relay, this does not provide a significant level of protection in our view. ( I can say our view as the primer includes input from a number of users).

So if Opto isolated relays are used, there is no need for flyback diodes.

For your own safety, I would recommend that you replace you relay with opto isolated ones. (I am assuming you are using a mechanical relay as you have suggested the use of flyback diodes)

Of course an updated diagram via a pull request would be welcome!
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17 Apr 2021 11:28 #206177 by radek_marko
Thank you for the advice.

If you take a look closer at my application I have trans-optor on the dual-channel relay (white 4N35 module with 1.5k resistor on the diode side). The single-channel relay will connect to my MESA 7i96 board input - already opto-isolated.
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18 Apr 2021 01:54 #206257 by txtrone
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You sound like you know a bit about electronics. Thanks for posting schematics

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18 Apr 2021 12:17 #206299 by radek_marko
Ohmic probe installed:

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18 Apr 2021 15:49 #206311 by txtrone
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Good work!

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24 Sep 2023 14:06 #281546 by santy
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Hey! Sorry to revive the topic, but im trying to built this aswell.
I have got one from a vietnamese store but it just doesn't work after a while!

I want to build my own.
Could you please state the relays and diodes, condensers used please?

thank you

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24 Sep 2023 20:27 #281561 by rodw

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28 Sep 2023 07:41 #281773 by HaroldHarvey
Thanks for the response.

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